How would 21st century training, nutrition 'n PEDs improved ATGs?

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  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I dont know if were thinking the same but classifying them differently but if a fighter learns to shorten his punches, snap his punches, perfect his balance, timing and delivery it certainly increases both speed and power. Now, I'll agree a fighters power and speed are a God given gift, but it increases and improves when the above factors are applied.
     
  2. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Knew Hearns would come up, U. A prime example of who I had in mind. Dropped guys regularly at the Kronk, but boxed strictly stick 'n move as an amateur, but the eraser was always there.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    yeah, he's the classic example. :good
     
  4. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Thank you, sir.

    And thank you for sharing the unique gems you've got "in the basement".
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Look at Roy Jones as an amateur, not nearly as fast

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ns_FT8pdeI[/ame]

    15yo Mosley, nothing like as fast

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfVl8rCYPQQ[/ame]

    Despite being at Fly Pacman isnt nearly as fast as he'd become

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7fNoODyYNU&feature=related[/ame]
     
  6. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think john garfield (along with prime.) have expressed with empirical evidence the take on whether hand speed/power increases naturally.(though there are always exceptions to the rule.)
    I would note that this obviously doesnt mean a 16 year old amaateur wont improve in speed/power because he may still be growing or not filled out yet. And obviously you can always make slight improvements,even as an adult.
    Steroids CAN increase speed,power,endurance,but they are not going to make julian jackson as quick as meldrick taylor,nor taylor punch as hard as jackson. Nor will they give toney the stamina of armstrong.
    Its also worth noting,that sometimes steroids are to the detriment of a fighter,in that some fighters are already finely tuned and 'near perfect' naturally ( aka prime robinson, prime duran,hagler.) and i feel steroids would upset their power/speed/durability,stamina/weight ratio. Picture the difference between 135 duran/147 robinson and the 154 duran/165 robinson to see what i mean.