How would 21st century training, nutrition 'n PEDs improved ATGs?

How can they be when they're not even in that condition come fight time ? :huh

Why are you suddenly making ridiculous statements ?

You know a bit about the subject, so i dont get why you would come out with this crap.
Obviously, at fight time they've put on some weight, mostly water, that smooths out the appearance somwhat (hence why bodybuilders compete in the dehydrated state). So they're not even quite as ripped in the ring during the fight as they are in the weigh-in. Nevermind that they walk around several pounds heavier bewteen fights. Even if it's three or four pounds it's a difference in rippedness, as you well know.
So why make the ridiculous claim ?

 

You dont think Mayweather/Mosley/Jones/Pacquaio arent ripped all the time? They look pretty ripped in the ring to me and when they pose down at press conferences. Mayweather/Pacman dont currently weight drain, so all the 'water weight' theory doesnt apply to them

Anyway just because they boil down to lose water doesnt mean they dont have very low bodyfats anyway

You have your rose tinted glasses on, sports move forward, especially inthe physical aspects

 

Cmon PP those are ridiculous statements. Do you think ODLH was as ripped as he was at fight time? Nah.

 

Unforgiven... You ain't seen nothing yet.

 

Did I pick DLH as 1 of todays ripped fighters? FMJ/Mosley/Pacman are always ripped, I fail to see the controversy :huh

 

Of course they might be in great condition all the time. But some of the guys you show will be heavier at fight time every time. The weigh in is them at their absolute most ripped and you compare them with any unflattering picture of an old-timer you can find.
That's what you did.
And I called you up on it.

Then you say they are like that 24/7/365 which just isn't true.

Of course they have very low body fat. I'm just saying the way they look boiled down is even more ripped than what they are in the ring. And with old-school weigh-in time they wouldn't even be able to get there to show that condition and fight.

In many regards, yes.
But boxers have always being ripped.

 

I dont know too much about the whole industry but it seems every top boxer these days is using a coach for that very same reason. Who know Marciano could have been a super middleweight if he fought these days.
BTW you have to consider they fought with a lot more frequency.

 

You're "hand-picking" pictures. Even Pep, Dempsey and Ross looked "lean" in their younger days while trained. Go to the antekprizering.com site. The fighters of the past were as "ripped" as today's fighters for the most part.

The average middleweight in the 1960's:

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Top lightweights Ike Williams and Beau Jack going at it:

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Ceferino Garcia:

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Not exactly Manny Pacquiao but a very strong, solid middleweight nonetheless and so were the rest of eras middleweights Fred Apostoli, Freddie Steele and Al Hostak for that matter.

Dempsey while trained:

http://www.corbisimages.com/Enlargement/Enlargement.aspx?id=BE053934&caller=search

A boxer's physique.

 

What a ******, I can't believe you have audacity coming back to thread with ******ation like this, ****wit

 

Well your picking guys that already have favorable genetics for being ripped. A guy like ODLH who is pretty soft on his down time came into his fights far more ripped and he had a strength and conditioning coach too towards the end of his career. The guys you mentioned get more ripped than their already ripped bodies.

 

I have no idea what this picture is but

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Why are you making statements like this? Boxing is absolutely a character sport. You can have all the atheltic talent in the world, if you dont have the proper mindset for the sport you'll fail miserably.

 

You picked some good examples there minus Garcia who I dont think is particularly great condition, good but not great. However nothing average about the conditioning of the top 4 fighters

And I havent seen Leonard/Ross looking in great condition, maybe somewhat better

According to Unforgiven these 3 arent ripped in the ring (check out the second pic, AWESOME)

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If skills and physical ability mean jack, Gatti was the greatest of all times :yep

 

No, I never said anyone wasn't ripped.

In fact, I've been saying all along that boxers are ripped and have always been ripped.