How would a decisive win by Shogun over Forrest change your views on Aoki-Melendez I

1) different weight classes
2) shogun and forrest are out of their primes whilst aoki and melendez havent even reached their peak of performance yet
3) different fighting styles shogun-muay thai striker whilst forrest grifffin = pillow fists
4) Aoki is more of a grappler than striker whilst melendez likes to bang so comparing shogun and griffin to them is pointless
5) Shogun and Griffin is nothing like the aoki vs melendez fight and never will be.

 

yea well i dont find aoki exciting ae and i think him breaking that dude's arm or whatever wasnt sportsman like ae. My favourite japanese fighters are:
1) Kid yamamoto
2) Masato Kobayashi
3) Yoshihiro Akiyama
then...
4) Shinya Aoki
I hate aoki because i really dont think he could beat frankie, gray, gilbert, jim miller, eddie alvarez or the ex lightweight bj penn therefore i wouldnt put in the top 5 lightweights.

 

so? the leggings helped him to get that sub
remember this? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZafV2FVU0[/ame]
now Jutaro Nakao's knockout is exciting

 

+1

 

its true isnt it beekeeper? or are you trying to find a concrete arguement to say that the leggings did not attribute to the win?

 

you cant compare the 2 fights cuz of the simple reason that they dont have the same styles.
shogun came of surgery and he is a striker and aoki is a grappler.

 

wtf is he doing at 1 min in?
he looks like a dog that drags his ass around on the mat at home

 

+1 :rofl

 

OK here's how i see it , Aoki beat a less skilled Melendez when he could of been seen as a novice , Melendez has now evolved into an all round better fighter than Aoki and due'lly beat him down in the re match , there current status would see Melendez ranked above Aoki pretty much without argument !!!!

Griffin was in his peak (or close too) when he beat one of the worst Shogun's we have ever seen enter the cage , remember it wasnt a full 18 months after the Griffin fight that Shogun began to look somewhat like his old self again , as it stands right now Shogun should still be a P4P entry and considered an elite fighter in the sport , the defeat / performance should be written off as another Jon Jones victim (there will be more like him) therefore many will beleive Shogun should beat Griffin coming into this re match , this fight was a case of Griffin getting Shogun at the right time .

The re match IMO will be somewhat different , where as if Aoki fought Melendez again tomorrow ring or cage ive got Melendez every time !!!

 

My mistake i thought for some reason it was Aoki who beat Melendez , atsch when it was actually Ishida .................... I remember him losing in that fight and had for some resason logged it as Aoki :nut

It was the worst Shogun ever to enter a live mma contest IMHO , he has been quoted as saying to those close to him he took the fight for a payday and knew he was well below normal standard due to injuries and lack of a real traning camp , coupled with that it was Griffin pretty close to his best , Shogun couldnt do anything in the fight and Griffin is Griffin he fought a superb fight but the levels these guys operate at at full pelt are IMO very diffrerent and if Shogun turns up as the Shogun who fought Machida he's gonna make Griffin look a bit stupid if you ask me !!!

Edit ; i dont think the cage hampers Shoguns style at all tbh , he is a fluent type of fighter who hardly looks to stall a fight , if he's on the feet he's looking for a finish , the same on top and on the bottom he constantly looks for leg locks and sweeps utilising his excellent butterfly guard , the cage should suit Shogun if his conditioning is right , or not if he fights an ultra dominant wrestler (Jon Jones) which Forrest Griffin is not !!!!