How would a scheduled 12-rounder between Lennox Lewis and Joe Frazier look?

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  1. Glass City Cobra

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    About Lennox facing other left hook specialists like tua, Morrison, and Ruddock...

    -All 3 of them weren't able to actually land many punches on Lewis.

    -Ruddock threw a few pawing jabs and got blasted out in just 2 rounds before he could actually connect with his legendary smash. He never landed a serious power punch like he did to dokes, Smith, etc.

    -Morrison was bounced off the canvas like 6x in 6 rounds and also never landed a serious left hook with full weight and leverage. I also heard he had a hand injury. He was stopped in 6 and got completely outboxed without landing very many power punches.

    -tua barely even tried and just accepted being stuck in Lewis jab, move, clinch, and Chuck a few right hands to keep tua honest strategy. He just followed lewis around the ring, only occasionally opening up and fighting in short bursts.

    I am of course not blaming Lewis. He used an excellent game plan in all these fights and earned his wins fair and square. But to suggest he'd have no trouble with frazier's relentless pressure or barrage of left hooks based on the above lackluster fights is quite the stretch. For the record I think Lennox would win more often than not.
     
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  2. THE BLADE 2

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    uppercut from outside.not in lennox arsenal
     
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  4. mark ant

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    No way, Lewis was nowhdere near Frazier`s level pre-Steward, his head was right on the line after punching, Frazier was far better defensively, the two versions of Ali that Frazier fought in their first two clashes would have boxed Lewis`s head off pre-steward.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Frazier landed far more hooks in his career than Ruddock or Morrison did, Ruddock was very inactive during fights specifically v Tyson, Frazier did more damage to the body with his hooks than Tommy or Ruddock and threw far more body shots than those two.
     
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  6. mark ant

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    The hook Frazier decked Ali with came upwards and Ali couldn`t see it comming, Vitali shots on Lewis didn`t have that kind of snap, it was a messy fight, Ruddock didn`t catch Lewis with any power shots, neither did Morrison, Tua landed a couple of good hooks but Frazier would have been far more active against Lewis than Tua, he cut the ring off Ali so he could easily cut the ring off Lewis, don`t forget Ali kept holding in his second fight v Joe and he was hooking constantly as soon as Joe got inside Lewis didn`t have to do that v Tua and wouldn`t have thrown all the hooks Ali did in fight to, Bruno landed mostly jabs v Lewis and the occasional right hand while Lewis was moving backwards away from the power, Frazier was far better at landing power shots than the plodding Bruno who would have landed nothing on Ali apart from some jabs which was his main punch, Tyson gave up after his first round against Lewis, Mercer did land a lot but wasn`t as relentless as Joe was v Ali in MSG.
     
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  7. mark ant

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    Briggs wouldn`t have landed anything on Joe who showed far better defense in his first fight v Ali than Lewis displayed v Briggs, his head movement ws far better and never mind how many shots Ali caught Frazier with over 15 rounds cause for one thing AAli was far better at landing shots than Briggs and for another look how many shots Joe evaded in that epic, no way could Lewis evade that punch volume, the Mercer fight proved that.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis was charging in Vitali with no head movement, in straight lines.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Look at the amount of shots that were coming at Frazier from Foreman no way could Lewis evade that kind of volume and those punches weren`t slow at all.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Bonavena had Frazier down twice Mike Bruce had him down I very much doubt either hit as aa hard as Vitali ,and certainly not as hard as Lewis.
    Frazier fought one top drawer banger, who bounced him like a basket ball twice.
     
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  11. mark ant

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  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    This is a not inconceivable proposition. I think Frazier was the more perseverant fighter (with the most heart) compared to those guys though.

    They did have great hooks, no question.
     
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  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    It's hard for me to imagine that one, FOTC-night Frazier NOT beating any era of Lewis. Or Bowe. Or Holyfield. Or Tyson. Norton. Quite conceivably even Holmes.

    Never seen that kind of hate and resentment-filled determination in a fight before or since. Frazier's will was a work of Art in that fight.
     
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  14. thistle

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    it would look like a Heavyweight fighting a Middleweight, such is the difference between SUPER - Heavyweights and past 'typical', in Stature, Heavyweights.
     
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  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Good grounds for this hypothesis. However, that wouldn't stop Joe from chopping him down.

    Of course, Lewis DID have a very big uppercut. Not Foreman or Shavers level, but around Tyson scale.
     
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