How would Ali beat Vlad?

By your logic - Lock , Barret , Mormek and Thompson would put a worse beating on Joe Louis than they put on Haye.

And Haye would do better against guys Louis lost and struggled against like ATGs Schmelling and Walcott.
You're an idiot.

 

Guys like Mormeck and Thompson would walk thru guys like Braddock,with sub standard skill and 25 losses all together,and a fat 5'9 drunk who looked like bar room brawler that of the skill of someone who never even watched how to throw a text book punch? :lloll


Haye would certainly do better with Shmelling or Walcott,only an idiot would pick them to win as well with a 6'3 215/225 pound FAST power puncher who could move around the ring!Shmelling wasn't even in his prime and still knocked out Louis while Wlacott was robbed of a decision win the first fight..........:ko

 

You are the clown who said Louis fought with his hands too low.

News flash dummy. Vitali fought with his hands way lower than Louis.

His hands were ridiculously low every time he fought. He got away with it for the most part due to his abysmal comp and its why Lewis was able to make his face look like a raw chop.

 

Ali has two strategies that I think could both work.

One is ambush tactics, throw a quick one two and dance away for 12 rounds.

The other is sit on his straights, cover up defensively and as wlad tires accumulate the punishment with a late attack.

I think both would have success. Ali can't make Wlad miss in the pocket, Byrd was one of the best ever at heavy and he couldn't do that either time, so Ali need either his feet or a high guard (like chambers used).

Louis hits hard enough where Wlad has to respect his power. But wlad would win most rounds against Louis, at some point Wlad would leave a gap and Louis would exploit it.

Wlad has fight changing power so he could win both, but I would say chances are he goes 0-2 and both times by stoppage.

 

To reiterate. The thread is about Klitchko. I gave Haye as an example of someone Klitchko failed to hit and drop, much less stop, when other fighters easily managed to tag Haye, and indeed floor him.

I also said Ali, or Louis would have easily set Haye up to be hit, and more than probably KO'd. If you have a problem with that, address it by all means. Bringing up 2 fighters that Joe L KO'd has no real relevance to my opinion that he could, and would have done the same to Haye, or the FACT that Klitchko patently couldn't.


So I don't actually get your point.:huh

 

You continually hide behind the pathetic " I can't post clips " excuses, so again ask another idiot who agrees with your nonsense to post clips of Haye " moving around the ring " and making his opponent miss and look as fukking stupid as he did to Valuev, or Klitchko.

You can't because those are the only two big slow dummies he ever fought. Rather than acknowledge the obvious you are now trying to convince people that David Haye was a modern day Ali, or a Ray Leonard.:hammertime :rofl:rofl

So I'll ask you again, are you really stupid enough to believe Haye would have been able to make Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, or Lewis miss the way he made those two muppets miss, and survive the 12 rounds?

 

how would they? who ever walked through an uninjured braddock? he was known for being able to absorb punishment.

you ought to claim something valid - at the moment you are trying to claim that Bob foster dwarfs Valuev

 

clearly you mean some wlad other than the one who got destroyed in seconds by retired failure corrie sanders, and who ran in fear from a return match with this fat retired failure.

 

Why bother arguing Louis was harder to hit in the first place, name dropping Barrett as proof, if you're going to pretend you didn't make the claim the next day? The post that got you bent out of shape involved me saying Louis was the far greater heavyweight, but Haye was in fact harder to hit.

That point has literally never changed.

Good grief man, what's Wlad done to you?

 

You rate the two much higher than I do if you give it better than a 10% probablity.

 

For the record, I think debates over who would win between a fighter from a previous era and a fighter from a current era are fun, but ultimately pointless, since there's no way to know for sure who would win.

I mean, you can figure out who would win between say, a fighter from the 90s, and a fighter from the 00s. I'm talking about debates between who would win between a fighter from the 70s, and a fighter from the 00s.

There are just so many factors to these sort of match-ups: The differences in training and nutrition, going 15 rounds vs. 12 rounds, etc.

 

Not really pointless..current/modern internet availability with videos,more info than ever with statistics..etc...usually shows who would likely win...match ups like a Wlad vs lewis..or Vitali vs Tyson are a bit harder to determine,you do have instances where some dolt will claim a Tony Gallento would k.o Wlad here and there however most match ups can be determined through common sense and evidence as to why they would win.

P.S 15 or 12 rounds means little,it only means fighters fighting 12 wwont pace themselves as much with the less rounds.We have 10 rounds fights that show those fights are usually more punch out put.Its the toughman boxing rule theory put less rounds and minutes in a fight and its a whirlwind pace not a snail one.

 

Tony Galento, ATG, esq.

 

The difference between Ali and Haye is Haye moves much better with avoiding punches,has more power,and Ali wasn't as fast as Haye was at 220 pounds,also Haye had to deal with Wlad Klitchko ,Ali did not! :yep




SRL was not even in the conversation,the topic like rock said who was harder to hit Haye or Louis and only a fool would say Louis!:nut