How would Ali beat Vlad?

Termite has gone FULL RET.ARD . Shouldn't have done it son, everyone knows you don't go full ret.ard if you want to win the Oscar!:deskhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q

 

I see that HerolDino are doing their tag team act again.

Every Klitschko win is like sulphuric acid poured onto their eyeb alls.

Man, it must really suck to have so much invested into pulling one man down.

Anybody Wlad ever beat was a bum. Anybody that ever beat Wlad was a bum. Because Wlad has ruled with an iron fist, this era is the worst era in heavyweight boxing EVER. Even the winos brawling for a warm beer in the park could shatter Wlad's glass chin with the wind from their punches.

We get it.

One could write a bot script to do what these two do and it would be more original :verysad

 

OK, let's compare Ali and Wlad's speed.

Wlad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jQQ_g5qKvs

Ali: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lvkeUjEMlA

Ali is clearly faster.

 

Funny because two of the better heavyweights of the past few years outside of the Klitsckos, were both cruiserweights. Adamek and Haye.

Oh and there is Povetkin, who lost to Wlad but also struggled with Huck......a cruiserweight!

And Tyson Fury, the big bad gypo challenging Wladmir for his titles was dropped by.....a cruiserweight!

Oh and dont forget the greatest cruiserweight of all time, you know the one who moved up to heavyweight and also established himself as one of the best heavyweights ever.

But past heavyweights cant cut it today of course atsch

 

I answered this earlier.

Sanders is completed overrated.

Outside of Wlad he beat nobody of note


.......except Michael frigging Sprott!!!!!

 

Arreola who was WBC#1 on more than a few occasions was a natural 175 pounder and would campaign there if he was in condition.

Top ranked Chambers was a natural Cruiser. Beat WBC Champ Peter.

IBF Champ and Wlads best win Byrd was another natural 175 pounder who skipped Cruiser because it was too competitive.

 

Wholeheartedly agree. Holyfield cleaned up the division at 205-210 lb. He also gave one of the best super-heavyweights ever, Bowe, great fights at that weight. How people can say boxers of the past are too small is beyond me. Size is and always will be a double-edged sword at heavyweight.

 

I'm a big fan of the Cruiserweight division, which is why it's funny when people get offended that historical heavyweights were, primarily, Cruiserweights. That's not an insult; that's math.

Until the 80's, a heavyweight fighting 210 lb fighters for their entire (or vast majority) of their careers didn't exist. 15 round fights incentivized smaller fighters, and there wasn't a talent pool of 200+ pound fighters deep enough to justify splitting up anything over 175.

The top Cruiserweights can still be world level Heavyweights today, but they are not as dominant once they step up.

In the short run, there are always exceptions and of course I'd favor a Joe Frazier to beat Morrison. Over the long run? There's a reason why Huck only moved up for Povetkin and didn't campaign there full time for every fight despite Heavyweight offering bigger prestige and paydays. Fighting bigger fighters your entire career is harder and will negatively affect your longevity. Only for classic heavyweight boxing, which exists in some kind of Bizarro-world with its logic, does a sentence that elementary even need to be typed.

Joe Frazier only lasted 37 fights in his own era, and 2/3 of those were against modern Cruiserweights. Why should I buy his stock in a career-long heavyweight campaign today? Marciano has ATG Cruiserweight credentials H2H (and ATG Heavyweight accomplishments), but he's not beating Lennox Lewis H2H or replicating his 49-0 heavyweight streak today even though he did beat some bigger men in his career.

 

How were historical heavyweights, cruiserweights? which ones exactly?

From wikipedia.

Boxers who weigh over 200 pounds (91kg) (14 st 5 lb/91 kg) are considered heavyweights by the major professional boxing organizations: the International Boxing Federation,[1] the World Boxing Association,[2] the World Boxing Council,[3] and the World Boxing Organization.[4]
For most boxing organizations, the maximum weight for a cruiserweight is 200 pounds. Thus, a fighter whose weight is over 200 lb may not fight as anything but a heavyweight.


In simple terms, anyone 200+ is a HEAVYWEIGHT.

The weight you fight at, is based on YOUR weight, not your opponents. So what if 210 fighters were facing smaller guys? the 210 guys were still heavyweights.

And secondly, didnt Wladmir just face 2 former cruiserweights, in Mormeck and Haye, so your argument doesnt mean much, when heavyweights today are fighting smaller guys, just as they did back then.

Outside of the Klits, no one really dominated Adamek nor Haye at HW, at least while they were still capable.

Adamek beat the living **** out of Arreola and Mcbride. If the Klits werent around, Haye and Adamek would have been the two best heavyweights out there. So maybe the Klits are a little better than given credit for and the rest of the so called larger fighters of today arent as special as your making them out to be.

You got any proof for this?Because i know a guy called Evander Holyfield who fought in 4 different decades.

Another small fighter called Mike Tyson who'se career spanned around 20 years.

Oh and there was Roberto Duran as well who fought from lightweight to lightheavyweight and fought in 5 different decades.

Then theres guys like Pacqiauo and Mayweather too.

You havent actually proved anything, your own assumptions dont mean much im afraid.

Whats Fraziers longetivity got to do with his weight?

Frazier cleaned out his division and then beat the man he needed to in Ali, after that he felt he had nothing to achieve, he then had 2 more major wars with Ali and two damaging losses to Foreman. How does his weight come into this? Damaging wars take their toll on a human body, i cant see how you connect weight to this.

As i mentioned before, Frazier was a HEAVYWEIGHT (someone who weighs more than 200+), i dont care what weight his opposition was.

Marciano i agree with, he never weighed over 200 pounds, however to think that Marciano cant move up and replicate what inferior fighters like Adamek and Haye achieved is an insult.

 

There are lots of fighters who fought bigger guys most of their careers and had long careers.

 

Im awaiting his proof for that statement.

 

The proof is "boxing".

Hagler would've still been a world class LHW, but he wouldn't have been as dominant for as long. There's a difference between having a long career and maximizing it. And that is why few Cruiserweights make the jump up today despite the depth at that weight and the percieved weakness at Heavyweight. If it wasn't more difficult, they'd be leaving Cruiserweight in droves because of the bigger paydays and higher prestige.

Mentioning Holyfield is a great example. I'm glad you did. He was able to bulk up to 210, 215, and achieve heavyweight greatness, but guess what? He always rates higher as a Cruiserweight. Both achievement wise and H2H. He sacrificed dominance for bigger purses and prestige. To his credit, was able to achieve greatness in the higher class as well, but he's more ideal as a Cruiserweight.

If weight didn't matter, Holy wouldn't have bothered bulking up for Heavyweight in the first place.

There's short-run exceptions- I'm not saying that smaller men can't beat big ones. I'm saying you won't see smaller, classical heavyweights (who are the same size or smaller than today's Cruiserweights in many instances) achieving the same success in Heavyweight boxing today over the course of an entire career. Doesn't mean they won't have success. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be world class for awhile. I'm sure they'd continue pulling off some notable wins over bigger men with some ability.

But this charade of old-time heavies dominating this era even more than their own is hilarious to me. We might as well be arguing about old school Welterweights dominating 168 and 175 today.

 

Can you please show me fighters whose careers have been shortened due to fighting larger men please.

That was the initial point you made.

 

how about ALI?