How would Ali beat Vlad?

I'm the imbecile who knows how to spell:
DICTATED and ENTIRETY

 

Well at least you're good for something,maybe you can troll a spelling b and win a prize?

 

You argue with yourself now, Mummy will be back to tuck you in later :hi:

 

uh o.k...Let me know how the short bus is working out for you?

 

I find it hard to believe that you're convinced that Sanders was better at 38 than say, 28. I watched Sanders all the way up from the amateurs when he was a tall, skinny, beanpole.
The version that fought Wlad was older,slower and in worse condition than the one who fought Cooper, du Plooy Billups etc.
If you simply cannot see that then frankly there is nothihg left to say on the issue.

I am beginning to wonder if YOU have watched these fights in their entirety because to claim that Sanders was in good condition for Vitali is hilarious. When I saw how fat he was coming in, my heart sank.
He gambled everything on an early knockout and lost that gamble. It's clear as day he was in no condition for a distance fight.
Why must I point out the obvious?

Again, aside from landing one great hook on Vitali, what did Sanders actually do? Lewis nearly ripped Virali's head off with 2 booming uppercuts and was working his way back into the fight after a bad start.
Look at Vitali's face afterwards.
Again, why must the obvious be pointed out to you?

I see you're starting to hang your hat on Wlad's alleged confusion of the southpaw stance.
Funny that it didn't seem to bother Vitali. Or Nate Tubbs. But even if it was a factor (and in fairness I think it was) we cannot discount all the other things that were in Wlad's favour going in.
Size, strength, youth, confidence, home soil and partisan crowd...let's call it for it was: a cherry pick gone wrong. Sanders just forgot to read the script.

I never said that Wlad is not quick. He is. For a big man he is very quick.
But since Klitschko fans are fond of bringing physics into arguments, how can you suggest that Wlad is quicker than a smaller man who is already regarded as lightning fast for his size.
Watch the flurry of punches that finishes off Richard Dunn. Wlad has never been that fast.

 

I'm wondering which is worse here, the fallacy contained in the statement per se, or the atrocity committed against the English language.

 

At 235lbs Sanders was 10lbs heavier for Vitali than he was for his fight with Wlad.

 

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Well McVey, you have now been told !

And by such a knowledgeable, not to mention articulate poster.


"...clearly in the "STUPID" zone of uneducated fans."



It's the way he tells them. :yep

 

Hopefully he will be back to school soon.:good

 

Where's the video? You keep talking about this video footage. Post it.

Google 'muhammad ali speed' you get pages and pages of videos and articles in tribute of Ali's speed.

Google 'wladimir klitschko speed' and you get nothing. No video. No articles. Nothing.

So where is this video the 'proves' Wlad had equal speed to Ali?

 

Let's put Sanders aside for a bit...

Ali didn't look good in every fight he had, sure.
Yes certain opponents gave him trouble.

But that has been half my point all along; In times of adversity Ali pulled through, except arguably against Norton and of course Holmes when he was completely shot.

But Ali generally handled adversity just fine. Wlad by comparison does not.

I think they would both face adversity in the fight but Ali will cope with it far better in my opinion.

 

where I referenced it numerous times already on you tube "Wlads complete speed and power mitt training" this clearly shows how fast he is,and this is nearly 40 yearold Wlad.



"Wlad speed bag work" video


Wlads left hook...it shows him throwing 5 power ones in about 2 seconds,this is not really debatable,its on VIDEO..its a FACT!


muhammed alis speed was him throwing light punches with lighter gloves,or him shadow boxing,and as stated he was 210 when at his fastest so its not even sensible to have this debate even if ali was slightly faster than Wlad who outweighed him largely.Tyson was faster than ali,yet Tysons former trainer said Wlad possed the quicker hands?:nut

 

Well you are trying to sell me a much smaller man ,who had flaws ,that a 6'6 one would capitalize on,ali did not handle a 6'6 guy with speed,smarts and strength of Wlad,he could barley handle Norton and could nt handle Frazier really and basically you are telling me the 60's 210/212 pound version who was not as durable as the 70's one is even better in this match up,and one who was dropped by a 180 pound left hooker?sorry but to me that's wishful thinking,as stated if Wlad for some reason gets tired he will lose and only then,but Ali running around the ring isn't going to get that done he would actually have to engage and that will happen either when hes behind in the fight or wlad goes after him and uses his own ring generalship to cut the ring off.And wlad would not have to worry about overcoming any adversity here,indeed it would certainly be the other way around,klitchko takes his jab away,connects with the lightning straight rights EASILY and has the crushing left,Ali overcoming all these skills and attributes is HIGHLY unlikely.

 

So you're talking about training camp footage now?atsch

You're telling me that hitting the speed Speed bag is meant to prove how Wlad had comparable hand speed to Ali??.

Anybody can work a speed bag you fool. Youtube 50 cent hitting the speed bag. Was he as good as Ali as well??:nut

That video footage was in preparation for Jennings and when the fight came around what he did in camp was nowhere to be seen. Because training camp and an actual fight are two totally different environments.

Anybody can look good hitting pads and mitts. Pads and mitts don't move or hit back. Wlad looked no better than the utterly average novice Jennings that night , so your training camp theory is beyond stupid.

He threw the one punch 5 times. There weren't even fully loaded and Austins head was right next to his fist and actually fell into the punches.
Whats so impressive about that? If that impresses you , then you haven't watched much boxing.
Ali used throw multiple and varied punch combos with both hands at blistering speed.

And its not your own argument either. You read it on heavyweight blog which everybody knows is a complete insult to boxing.

Wlads speed in him throwing single shots while planted into the canvas.
Tony Galento could throw a right had as fast if not faster than Wlad. Was he as fast as Ali too?

Ali's power was reduced cos he was a mover. He punched and moved with a good degree of speed.
Wlad can't even punch and move , never mind punch and move with any quickness.
There is a whole other dimension to the speed game in boxing that you don't understand.

Ali had speed where Tyson didn't and visa a versa. Wlad doesn't even enter the equation in terms of speed at that level.

Freddie Roach said Wlad had faster hands than Tyson?? Show me where he said that??