how would calzaghe do against the SMW's of today...ward, froch, bute direll etc?

No dude you clearly do. Re-read your first post in this thread. :conf

A "gem" that was in response to:

"I knocked out Magee quite bad six years ago, and I broke my hand in round two and I got my knockout later on. I think that fight would have lasted two or three rounds if I didn’t break my hand in round two."

...from the OP, you ******ed ****.

Did I also say it made Bute better than Froch? Nope. Did you say Calzaghe beating them before Ward and Dawson made it so Calzaghe would beat Ward and Dawson?


Oh YES you did.

 

KO Artist has an avatar bet with me but he's so much of a cheap **** he's holding on to his vCash. :conf

 

Right, you clearly have comprehension problems

Here was my original post.

- Right, now see where I stated Joe is seriously underrated. I believe he would beat them all. To emphasise the point of how Joe is underrated I stated

You see that Joe has achieved more than Ward or Dawson have in the sport. Which is why it's irritating when people are dismissive of Joe. He accomplished more than either of Dawson and Ward, yet he gets the most stick on here.

Also, you now see how irritating it is when someone spins what you said into something else :deal

Also Drozzy, you realise you have 0 vCash, what the **** are you gonna bet with atsch

 

Zaggers threads always go at least 10 pages. A testament to his greatness.

 

Even if you choose to consider the "underrated" part of your first sentence to justify the second part of your post, why are you using the "beat him beforehand" argument on Hopkins and Kessler to elevate Calzaghe above Dawson and Ward, when it has no real value?! Hopkins wasn't much more different than today's, and Kessler was always considered #1 SMW after Calzaghe left the division and before he met Ward. Dawson won more rounds than Calzaghe, Ward completely trashed Kessler. How is this supposed to be a + for Calzaghe? I think you'll agree that your "original post" was lacking a lot in substance.

Calzaghe doesn't get the most stick around here. You're totally paranoid, look around buddy.

I have 8400 on Bute and 250 on the under... why not check the bet listings before posting **** like that?!

 

The Kessler beaten by Calzaghe was a Prime Kessler.

Mikkel was undefeated (Mentally on top of the world) and still full of explosiveness that was soon to be dulled by injury. Before Calzaghe, Kessler has no experiance of losing, the thought probably never entered his mind. Watch 07 Kessler who fought Calzaghe, and who fought Andrade. (A PRIME Andrade.) Then compare it to the guy who fought Ward and Froch. He looks like a Robot who needs some Oil.

Hopkins who lost to Dawson is different to the one who fought Joe Cal. THAT Hopkins had limited his offence, and the older one who Dawson fought was offensively non existant. In your 40's, every year is a big year. Just look at Hopkins body. When he fought Joe Cal, he had muscle tone, when he fought Chad Dawson, he did not.

Dirrell? Andre Dirrell has folded when faced with adversity. Froch began to catch him so Dirrell resorted to holding and flopping to the floor. Watch the Arthur Abraham fight. Dirrell is dominating, then Abraham adjusts his footwork and begins to catch Andre. We then see the same holding and flopping to the floor pattern from the Froch fight. Anybody think Dirrell keeps composed with Calzaghe? I'll give you odds of a thousand to one if you do.

Ward? Intresting one. Ward is in his prime now. He has the best chance, due to his intelligence and physical strength, aswell as his punching selection. If Ward has a flaw, it's that there will be room for some to outwork him.

 

Ward and Bute is a 50/50 IMO. Both are very good fighters. I am surprised that Dirrell is mentioned in this discussion at all. He is not a rated fighter.

 

So you've had my initial post explained, then I posted the follow up I mentioned earlier about Calzaghe v Ward, Calzaghe v Dawson, and you're still not following what's going on? I never used the beat him beforehand argument. I was explaining that Joe was underrated. He gets a lot of stick, because people don't appreciate his accomplishments in the sport, and he accomplished more than Ward and Dawson have.

Ward beat a Kessler who had been inactive, was suffering from double vision and was headbutted into submission.

If you don't think there's much difference between the Hopkins Calzaghe fought, and todays Hopkins then you really need to watch more boxing atsch

To make it really clear for you drozzy, this doesn't mean that Calzaghe would beat Ward and Dawson, because he beat Hopkins and Kessler first :rofl

I already explained earlier how I think Calzaghe could beat Dawson and Ward in my post before :deal

 

Wrong. Double vision came about after the fact. Some headbutts were blatantly intentional but Ward soundly outboxed Kessler over 5 as opposed to Calzaghe who had it pretty even, eating a couple straight rights over 5. Again, not that it matters in a Calzaghe-Ward H2H comparison.

Don't get it twisted now. There's a difference, not a gulf (of difference).

There you go. Should have made that clear in the first place.

Sure, no complaints there. Too bad Calzaghe didn't actually go for Dawson at the time. :conf

 

Have you seen the viloria-romero fight?

That is how fighters should fight! No cutesy posey.

 

Seen it and enjoyed it thanks buddy

 

Beats Froch, loses to Dawson in America, beats Cloud, loses to Ward, il tell you how he does against Bute after Saturday its so hard to gauge how good he is with his recent opposition.

Calzaghe lost to Bernard and i had a bet on Calzaghe, dude is horribly overrated.

 

Calzaghe wins against all.
Funny now, but when you look at those named fighters, most of the big wins they have or losses follow back to the name Calzaghe

 

Zaggers whoops em all

 

Mind you, Einstein, Louis Armstrong, Borat and Genghis Khan follow back to the name Calzaghe - if you happen live your life around Zaghes like Bailey does.