How would Calzaghe do against these fighters?

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  1. Loudon

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    :lol:
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fantastic!

    I love Shane Meadows!

    Do you know who Bartley Gorman is?

    http://youtu.be/lB0_QEh-KVs

    Shane is going to film a biopic of his extraordinary life, and Paddy Considine is supposed to playing Bartley.
     
  4. Foxy 01

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    Is that where Dean Cooper trained?

    I noticed you also mentioned George Collins. He is a nice guy, his aunt ( sadly passed away ) was married to Les Stevens, father of Blue a good amatuer Heavy, as indeed was Les who turned pro, and lost a ten round points decision to Jimmy Young who a year or so later knocked out George Foreman. Les told me his best moment in the fight game was when Blue won the British ABA title ( Heavy ) 20 years to the very week that he himself had won it.

    One of Les's daughters is married to Rocky Frankham, son of Johnny, so there is a lot of boxing history in those families and their connections through marraiges, and I have to say they are great people to be around, as the fun, and knowledge is quite remarkable.
     
  5. TKO6

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    Chris Eubank put Joe Cal as one of the top 5 most powerful punchers he ever fought. People forget he had weak hands at the end of his career
     
  6. Serge

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    I've never really thought about ranking his wins, the Eubank performance was definitely one of my favourites though. He proved an awful lot in that fight: Chin, power, heart, skill, hand speed, determination, and a ridiculously fierce will to win, and crazy stamina (I was utterly convinced he was going to come a cropper when he stepped up to the higher level and fought someone who could weather his assaults and drag him into the late rounds, simply because he used fight at such a ridiculous pace and throw so many punches),

    The Kessler performance was excellent too. Even though Kessler, who'd barely lost a round back then, give or take a few against Mundine over in Australia when he went into the fight with zero sparring to him sustaining a back injury during training, had given a good account of himself and landed some big bombs during some of the rounds, Joe then changed his tactics mid fight and took it to a level Kessler couldn't go to. Joe was incredibly light feet for a man of his size and it looked like he was floating on air during parts of the second half of that fight.

    The Hopkins fight was not one of Calzaghe's best performances at all, and there were numerous factors why, not least of which Hopkins incessant cheating. The only reason that fight was close was because Cortez allowed Hopkins to get away with blue murder all night. He held on like a limpet everytime Joe got anywhere near him and lead with his head throughout the entire fight (right from the beginning of the fight) - he connected with it on numerous occasions too, a couple of which Cortez definitely saw, of course he said nothing though.

    Check this vid. Listen to what Jim Lampey and Emanuel Steward say at the start of the fight and then watch Hopkins land one of those ever so unintentional butts of his at the 0:34 mark and then a few seconds later at the 0:38 mark he tries to butt Calzaghe again, this time Joe sees it coming and has to take evasive action, something he had to do often in the fight to avoid getting butted even more, which is obviously going to disrupt your game plan. And then at the 0:55 mark Hopkins connects with another one of those ''unintentional'' butts to the bottom of Joe's chin again, this time it's VICIOUSLY hard and visibly hurts Joe. Calzaghe took it like a man and didn't complain. You have to ask yourself what Hopkins would've done in that situation. I think we all know the answer to that. At the very least he would've been rolling around on the canvas in fits of histrionics. Watch what he does a few seconds after landing that butt at the 1:03 mark too. Joe gives him a tiny little love tap below the belt by way of retaliation and Hopkins immediately makes a big meal of it.

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  7. Serge

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    I vaguely remember hearing all the hype about the Collins brothers, although I can't remember watching any of their fights even though I'm sure I saw at least one of them on TV back then. I wouldn't mind seeing some of their fights as it goes.

    I'd forgotten about Stretch dating Racquel Welch though. She still looked pretty good even though she wasn't a spring chicken.
     
  8. Serge

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    The commentator for Joe's bout against Karl Barwise said Joe reminded him of Stretch.

    3:11 mark.

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    Barwise was a pretty tough cookie and usually lasted the distance or gave good fighters rounds, some of whom went on to become or challenge for world titles. Notice how the commentator says earlier on in the video that he thought Barwise was going to take Joe the distance. It was all over soon after that.

    :fire
     
  9. bailey

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    He would have beaten them all.
    Lets look at the form line

    Nigel Benn -
    lost to Eubank who Calzaghe beat
    lost to Malinga who lost to Woodhall who Calzaghe beat

    Michael Watson -
    lost to Eubank who Calzaghe beat
    lost to McCallum who lost to Jones who Calzaghe beat

    Steve Collins - Twice backed out against Calzaghe and only shaded Eubank who Calzaghe beat
    lost to Johnson who lost to Jones who Calzaghe beat

    Gerald McClellan - Only had one fight at SMW
    lost to Benn who lost to Eubank who Calzaghe beat

    Frankie Liles
    lost to Mitchell who Calzaghe beat

    The form line favours Calzaghe


    Nigel Benn
    Michael Watson
    Steve Collins
    Gerald McClellan
    Frankie Liles

    Looks like a list of then potential Jones jnr fights
     
  10. Serge

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    Yes I do. I've seen that mini documentary before actually thanks. Interesting character. I'm glad to hear Meadows is still going to make that film about him because it's been so long since I first heard about it that I thought he'd given up on it or something.

    Both Meadoes and Considine are class. I think it will be a great.
     
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    Have you read Bartley's biography?

    It's the best book I've ever read. I've read it cover to cover about 20 times.

    Shane will definitely film it at some point, but at the moment, I think he's got 3 or 4 other projects in the pipeline. I believe that This is England 90 is next, then a few other things, one of which is a biopic of Tom Simpson, the cyclist who died whilst competing in the Tour De France.

    So it's anyone's guess when King of The Gypsies will be made.

    Did you know that Shane grew up with Bartley's son Shaun, and he knew Bartley for years? He's a close friend of the family.

    That's why I know that he'll definitely finish it one day.
     
  13. Loudon

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    :lol: :good
     
  14. Serge

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    No I haven't. That documentary is the only thing I've seen about him. I remember speaking to one of his relatives on Youtube a couple of years ago (think it might have been a nephew of his IIRC) but other than that I know very little. I have seen a couple of documentaries about travellers and bare knuckle boxing these past few years though - watching bare knuckle fighting is something that wouldn't appeal to me, or watching street fights either. However, I really enjoyed those documentaries (there wasn't THAT much fighting in the last one I saw 'Knuckle).

    I like the fact they have that 'Fair Play' thing going on; one on one, no hitting your opponent when their down etc. It's just a good old fashioned fist fight with a code of honour that is sorely lacking in today's society. I really respect that about them even if I think they're a bunch of loons sometimes - they kick off over the most stupid reasons. A lot of them are distant relatives too. lol

    Sounds bloody good. It must be if you've read it that many times.

    Hopefully it won't take too long, the guy was a real character and looks to have lead a really interesting life, as life that couldn't help but translate into a brilliant film, especially with a director like Meadows at the helm.

    I vaguely recollect hearing that actually. I'm not sure where. It's been a while since I saw the mini feature on him.

    I haven't seen all Meadow's films, or even that This is England '86 TV series, but I've probably seen a half of his films. Dead Man's Shoes is my favourite, followed by A Room for Romeo Brass.

    I like this scene from the later. lol

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  15. kmac

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    yes, using this logic, michael smyth would beat everyone here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm7qcmu7UvQ