How Would Calzaghe Prove Himself?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Evil Rich, May 13, 2009.


  1. Evil Rich

    Evil Rich Tweety is PISSED off! Full Member

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    I've been wondering this for quite a while, to me it seems he is in a near un winnable situation. Joe's detractors in my eyes will always say he never fought the best and that he wouldn't travel with the exception of his last two fights.

    Joe is 37 and not nearly the fighter he was years ago when he was in his prime and the problem with that is, nobody would fight him in his prime. Jones Jnr wanted nothing to do with him and Hopkins changed the goal posts. So he had to fight two men out of there prime (yet Hopkins still came back to beat Pavlik who was slated as a Joe killer too), everyone forgets to mention that Joe was also out of his prime and arguably that had more effect on him then it did Hopkins.

    People will also never agree with his style, he will always be deemed a slapper because of this, yet this was hardly ever if ever said before the Hopkins fight and it got popular because Hopkins claimed he didn't get hurt. The fact is Joe throws around a thousand punches, the majority land and he is not a small guy, you are going to get stung eventually...the majority of his punches acted as a defence, u cant get hit if ure hitting the other person.

    So what if Joe comes back to cement his legacy, lets say Joe has 1 fight left in him where he can still go as strong as he did in his past 2 fights, which fighter would prove that? Dawson...if he beats him he is just another Jeff Lacy, an American hype machine that wasn't everything people thought he would be, Froch...if he beats Froch they'll point to his lack of defense and that he has only beaten Taylor and finally a rematch with Hopkins, people will say he ducked the younger competition. So my question is, what could Joe do to prove to you he was a legend?
     
  2. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    Great post.

    Joe has nothing to prove and critics will always be critical.
     
  3. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    i think he already has.

    to those that know what a talent he actually WAS.

    joes gone,and good luck to him.

    p.s chad who?
     
  4. Kid Cuba

    Kid Cuba Boxing Junkie banned

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    Fight prime opponenets, so far his record is only past their prime fighters like Eubank, Hopkins (who should have won) and Jones Jr. or virtual nobodies. The only name I can give him credit for is Kessler. Had he fought better (prime) fighters I could have givin him credit.
     
  5. Lee Mc

    Lee Mc Boxing Addict banned

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    Joe finished on top and that's all that really matters.

    At the end of the day debates about how he got to the top will rage on forever but he finished his career as the Light-Heavyweight and Super-Middleweight Champion of the World. To reach the pinnacle of your chosen career is always a great achievement and he did that.
     
  6. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Give Hopkins a rematch and beat him clearly, would be the minimum requirement.

    Other than that, its really difficult for Joe to undo the damage of his mismanaged career. Being a champ for nearly a decade before having anything like a career defining fight, simply isn't good enough.

    Calzaghe was a very good fighter, maybe even a great one. But there is certain aspects of his career and legacy that can only be described as feeble.
     
  7. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    wow,no one saw this coming.

    :lol:
     
  8. Evil Rich

    Evil Rich Tweety is PISSED off! Full Member

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    As I said before, he tried to and wanted to but the fighters would not get in the ring with him. So he went back and beat the fighters that ducked him when they were both out of there primes and which of those fighters that are in there prime now would make a Joe legend? Joe wouldn't have to just beat them now, he would have to beat age, something not even Ali could do.
     
  9. mariancobretti

    mariancobretti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe had opportunity to go to the US and force fights with Jones decade ago.

    jones remember was P4P for a decade....Calzaghe was aminor belt holder who didnt face the other champions for 8-9 years during his reign...he either faced guys comign of a loss(Reid ,Mitchell, Brewer, Eubank) he faced guys at the right time.

    Guys he didnt fight were: Otke, Frankie Liles Malinga,,,,....why didnt he give Reid a rematch? it was his hardest test a SD..in Joes prime.


    Tv companies were put of Jue in his 1st 8 years...you rememebr that fight with David Starie on the Tyson Savarese undercard??

    end of the day JOE meant jack **** for 95% of his career. He was a huge underdog against an average fighter liek LACY, that shoul tell you how poory he was recognized. His reputaion was ****.

    He decided to hide behind his Alphabet belt for 95% of his career.

    He could have dumped his WBO gong and gone to light heavy and beaten some challengers and become a top 10 to face Jones...but he didnt...that was to risky and not a good econimic decision.

    The notion that Jones ducked JOE is ****, its more the other way round.


    End of the Day, the FACTs dont lie...Joe liked the odds stacked in his favour when facign opposition, either at home, premature stoppage wins or fighting guys past their prime.
     
  10. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The boat's sailed, he could fight Godzilla and it wouldn't make up for a career of defending that pathetic excuse for a belt against stiffs. Good fighter, crap record, unbeaten or no.
     
  11. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    Go to Quahog and use Stewie's time machine to go back, give up the then UTTERLY worthless and now mostly worthless WBOgus belt, hop on a plane to the States and force fights with Jones and BHop and Johnson and Tarver.
     
  12. mariancobretti

    mariancobretti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    put it this way, If Jones/hopkisn signature wins

    were against HOF 43year old ,Kessler and Jeff lacy there would be an inquest!!!

    rememebr people here are reffering to JOE as a Legend....so to that effect we will judge him at that level....I think he fails



    If you refer to JOE as an accomplished champion who was an excelelnt fighter with excellent skills....then his resume qualifies but fall short of Legendary status.
     
  13. Evil Rich

    Evil Rich Tweety is PISSED off! Full Member

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    I agree with you that his fighters have not been the top, but I do not believe the owness is ever on the World Champion (whether you rate the belt or not) to prove that he is the best, rather it is up to the challenger to do so. And people forget that before Joe destroyed them, people thought Lacy and Kessler were going to wipe him out and there names were only tarnished because of Joe (Lacy was crucified after his fight with Joe, forget what happened since).

    He was no doubt a big name after he fought Lacy and from there are in, he should have been able to get the big fights but he didn't because the yanks such as the ones mentioned didn't want to face such a dangerous opponent with very little reputation.

    Calzaghe had gone and tried to get a fight with Hopkins and Jones Jnr, he arranged a fight with Hopkins who changed the rules on him and he did the right thing pulling out. There was no "having to go to America" to grab the fight there, it was Hopkins who tuck tailed and run from him after Joe said he would go to the US. Jones Jnr on the other hand, should Joe have given up his world title because someone won't fight him? What would surrendering his belt and going to America have done anyway? He wanted to go to the US to fight Hopkins but he wouldn't fight Joe (I take changing your percentage after a deal had been reached as basically saying I don't want to fight you). Should he risk everything to potentially not be given a shot anyway?...After all he had beaten the people sent to beat him and not got any reward for it, what would going to America have achieved? They still wouldn't have fought him.
     
  14. venomus_p4p

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    Slap more guys? i dunno, Joe sucks IMO.
     
  15. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Onus.