How would Chavalo's career have played out if there were 20-25 rounds fight- 60/70's

Kurgan has yet to answer my questions on Chavalo. If Chavalo was stopped quickly vs the two best punchers he meet, how is his durability extraordinary?

I'm not sure if Kurgan saw Douglas vs McCall, or if Kurgan saw Bruce Seldon visibly rocking and hurting McCall. Check the later rounds of the Douglas vs McCall fight, or round 9 vs McCall vs Seldon.

I'm also not sure if Kurgan realizes that Cobb was once dropped by an obscure fighter.

See how I provide direct examples, backed up by video? Now, let's review Vitlai. He defiantly took huge bombs from Lewis and Sanders, yet he was never stuck on the ropes hurt or covering up as long as Chavalo or McCall was when they got hit. He had the reserves to move, clinch, or fire back.

If we want to compare the shots that Vitlai took on video, they were harder than the ones that McCall or Chavalo took. Futher more, if you want the straight dope, Vitlai did not face as many smaller fighters as Chavalo did, nor did he face troves of joruneyman like McCall did. 20 of McCall's fights were vs fighters who were .500 or below!

The five best punchers Vitali fought ( Lewis, Sanders, Johnson, Hide, and Williams ) have a better KO% than the five best punchers Chavlao fought, and should be about even with McCall.

 

Once again, Kurgan has yet to answer my questions on Chavalo. If Chavalo was stopped quickly vs the two best punchers he meet, how is his durability extraordinary?

I'm not sure if Kurgan saw Douglas vs McCall, or if Kurgan saw Bruce Seldon visibly rocking and hurting McCall. Check the later rounds of the Douglas vs McCall fight, or round 9 vs McCall vs Seldon.

I'm also not sure if Kurgan realizes that Cobb was once dropped by an obscure fighter.

See how I provide direct examples, backed up by video? Now, let's review Vitlai. He defiantly took huge bombs from Lewis and Sanders, yet he was never stuck on the ropes hurt or covering up as long as Chavalo or McCall was when they got hit. He had the reserves to move, clinch, or fire back.

If we want to compare the shots that Vitlai took on video, they were harder than the ones that McCall or Chavalo took. Futher more, if you want the straight dope, Vitlai did not face as many smaller fighters as Chavalo did, nor did he face troves of joruneyman like McCall did. 20 of McCall's fights were vs fighters who were .500 or below!

The five best punchers Vitali fought ( Lewis, Sanders, Johnson, Hide, and Williams ) have a better KO% than the five best punchers Chavlao fought, and should be about even with McCall.

I wasn't talking about Cobb's KO loss. He went down in a fight that went the distance.

 

I did not see it the Cobb vs Gregg fight. I never said I did. That does not change the fact that it was scored as a knock down. It seems your grasping for unknown straws here to prove some type of point. The odds are it was a knockdown, not a mistake from the referee.

I said I was not talking about Cobb's KO loss to Collier.

To quote me directly, this is what I said to Krugan

My reference here was to Gregg, not Collier who KO's the iron chined Cobb in one round.


Now, if you want to argue who took better punches on films we have seen, who was stopped earlier, who was hurt more often by covering up and resting on the ropes, or who quit earlier between Vitlai, Chavalo and McCall, go for it. Let’s have a clean debate backed up by facts, and not wishful opinions. And I think you and I know Vitlai will come out the better in this debate.


Or if you want to wait for Kurgan to reply, I’m fine with that. If Kurgan wants to throw Cobb in the mix, that’s fine by me too, as he was dropped by a no-name, and Ko’d in one round.

 

There are 1,000's of knockdowns that you and I did not see. You must take them as fact unless you have heard or read they were fishy. If you think Cobb was wronged say so. As they say, **** or get off the pot. Just don't stir it for no good reason.

See my above comment. What you're saying here can be applied to any thread in the board. I am not grapsing at straws, I am using known facts. See the differnce? You can not say Box rec or is a bad soruce, while at the same time not seen it either, nor heard it was a bad call.

If Kurgan uses facts, flim, and examples, I think I'll do just fine. If he tires to use judgement calls instead, I can do the same, but take note he does not choose to engage where the truth is on my side. I have emailed a few very good historians who don't post of message boards regarding the Chavalo vs Frazier fight. I'll save the replies for Kurgan. I have not seen this fight, but most ceritanly respect the opnions of those who have. If the comments are out of bounds, the readers will say so. I don't think they are.

Thanks.

 

I wonder who is to balme for that? I wonder who
used smiley faces and attemtped to bait or belittle first?

No PR here Sonny Jab. Lets discect things and compare. When Kurgan is ready he can say so, and I'll make it a seperate thread.

 

I am dealing with facts. The term you refer what haters use. As I said before, I am ready to compare Vitlai's durablity to take punches to McCall, Chavlao, or Cobb. Let the debate be clean without degratory terms, and let the facts rule, not the rooting interests.