How would Cotto-Clottey turn out had the cut not occured?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009.


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  1. CharlieGarbs

    CharlieGarbs Guest

    I was thinking about this earlier and thought it was quite a hard fight to score in the early rounds as they looked fairly equal (par knockdown). With that nasty cut Clottey really started punishing Cotto, snapping his head back with most of the punches he landed.

    I'm not sure how it would have ended. I think that Clottey looked the stronger guy on the night, and could perhaps out-muscle Cotto, but obviously even with the cut that didn't really work. If I had to pick, I'd say Miguel really starts timing Clottey as he come's out of his shell, putting more leverage into his punches which he didn't after the cut in fear of it opening up more.

    Your thoughts? Thanks!

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    CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009
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  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think the fight would have went similar to how it actuially turned out. Clottey would fight the exact same fight. Cotto may use less desperation and fight a smarter fight. Maybe even box Clottey to a more convincing win. I thought Clottey won. However Clottey who had his chance to really beat on Cotto took his foot off the gas. Without a cut a tentative Clottey loses a decision to a more cautious less desperate Cotto. But what about that toss in round 5. If Clottey did not hit the deck on a slam would that have changed the out come.
     
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  3. CharlieGarbs

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    Good analysis, I can see what your saying. I think if Cotto boxed more he could of frustrated Clottey and won a decision. I agree with you that Clottey would fight the same fight aswell. I think the body slam was way over hyped, I've been dropped on concrete floor play fighting and stuff and I've been fine, I think Clottey acted like a bit of ***** to be honest after that, specially trying to deduct a point of Cotto punching on the back of the head that was clearly unintentional.
     
    CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009
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  4. CharlieGarbs

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    Agreed. 9 times out of 10 it would be a close fight, I doubt they be able to knock eachother out. Both tough, fighter's with roughly the same attributes.
     
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  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I think it would've been a different fight in favor of Cotto. This fight was very close though. So close that when I first watched the fight without scoring the rounds carefully, I felt Clottey edged Cotto for a victory yet replaying it and scoring it carefully I had Cotto slightly ahead. This was two championship caliber fighters at the highest level in their division and it was close. I just think Miguel was getting a little blindsided because of the eye and lost some rounds that he may not have ordinarily and Clottey showed why he'll rarely win a decision in a close fight. He's not aggressive enough even when he gets good opportunities. But honestly, even scoring the fight closely in favor of Cotto after the replay, I wouldn't have complained had it gone to a draw or a close win to Clottey either. There were some rounds that were up in the air. Really good fight. Reminded me of a bloody version of ODLH VS Quartey.
     
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  6. CharlieGarbs

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    Hmm, I'm not sure, Cotto was landing at the end where Clottey was landing hardly anything, it looked as if Cotto won the last 2/3 rounds. I don't think he was 'outboxing' Cotto before the cut, not at all. They was just approaching the stage of trying to get the upper hand, neither fighter was clearly outboxing the other, could have gone either way. I think of it like this, Clottey looked like he won the fight, but as the fights are based on rounds you can't justify it. I think I had it 6 round each, with the knockdown being the point that won it for Cotto.
     
    CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009
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  7. CharlieGarbs

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    Yeah thats very true, I think as the rounds were so close even with Cotto having the cut, obviously no cut would make more sense with Cotto coming out victorious. A lot of rounds were close, and like you said, I think Cotto would edge it as he would have had full vision and not of been so desperate, keeping his distance and timing well.
     
    CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009
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  8. CharlieGarbs

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    Fair enough I can respect your choice, maybe Clottey did win the first 4 round, but he wasn't 'outboxing' him, just winning close, close rounds.
     
    CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009
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  9. The Assassin

    The Assassin New Member Full Member

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    I had Clottey winning the fight, he outlanded Cotto throughout the fight. Yes i believe Clottey could went in for the KO but when Cotto can't hurt his opponent he tends to put on his running shoes and thats what happened in the fight. There should be a REMATCH
     
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  10. CharlieGarbs

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    Yes thats nice, but what would have happened had the cut not occured. Your thoughts! :good
     
    CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009
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  11. SoxNation

    SoxNation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Clottey still would've continued to outbox Cotto as he was doing before the cut, and there would have been a different excuse as to why Cotto performed badly.
     
    SoxNation, Dec 24, 2009
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  12. CharlieGarbs

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    I dont get how Clottey was 'outboxing' Cotto before the cut, seriously was I watching a different fight? Their is absolutely no way anyone was outboxing anyone in the first 3 rounds. Why would of Cotto had an excuse, he's never had an excuse before? :huh
     
    CharlieGarbs, Dec 24, 2009
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  13. the_truth

    the_truth Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto right now is going through a lot esp. in his personal life for the past 2 or 3 years. The difference is Cotto is a throwback fighter that doesn't make any excuses for any of his fights. He box Clottey with that large cut and was doing very well before the cut, which help him win the close fight. With two eyes and a better camp and clear free of problems, Cotto wins a clear easy decision. He just needs to watch Clotteys head more than anything else:D
     
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  14. SoxNation

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    Clottey was on his way to winning round 1 before the KD at the end of the round, he won round 2, and was winning round 3 before the cut.
     
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  15. 5oh1box

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    cotto by a clear decision
     
    5oh1box, Dec 24, 2009
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