How would David Tua do in a MMA bout?

mayweather would kill lesnar in mma because he destroyed the big show with ease

 

It certainly is a plus to be a good kickboxer, but in MMA tall fighters tend to struggle and get clumbsy on the ground look at Semmy Schilt very tall kickboxer who's dominated K-1 the past years and he got beaten to a pulp on the ground against Sergey Kharitov...

 

A strong puncher like Tua will always have a good shot to knock someone out be it a kickboxer or MMA fighter, but what the hell would he do if he dosen't connect with one of them monster hooks and end up on the ground? he'd get his arms and legs twisted in all kinds of wrong directions or get choked out cold simple as that.

Why are people so ignorant to this fact? boxers aren't superhumans superior to MMA fighters and kickboxers, a boxer relying only on his boxing will lose in a kickboxingmatch more often than not same goes for MMA fights and of course it also works the other way round aswell.

peace...

 

Right, but Arlovski’s fights are stand up fights because he’s better at that than others. If he were to fight someone that he knew he had a better chance against on the ground he would take it there. Part of the reason why he can keep fights standing and doesn’t just get taken down and pounded out is because he has been grappling for a long time. Arlovski’s takedowns don’t need to be world class, they just need to be better than his opponent’s takedown defense.

No it’s not hard to believe, because this has actually happened. Guys like Marcus Davis and Chris Lytle have been able to move from boxing success to mma success BECAUSE THEY BECAME MIXED MARTIAL ARTISTS. When Davis first started he got taken down and beaten to **** because he had no idea how to grapple. Once he learned that he was able to use his boxing (though if you watch him fight his stance and movement are different from regular boxing) and be successful. It’s not that punching is useless, it’s that it’s very unlikely to work BY ITSELF which is what a lot of idiots argue. The guys that claim that Tua or Bowe or someone would crush a pro mma fighter in an mma fight just by virtue of being able to punch better don’t realize the totality of what the sport entails.

People don’t need to be pro boxers or even have amateur experience to understand why boxing is a poor single skill to have. I’ve boxed on and off for a long, long time and when I tried kickboxing and grappling and all of them together it really opened my eyes to the extra variables and how your boxing technique HAS to change if you want to be successful. Boxing is 100% optimized for punching with big gloves with a ref. It’s perfect for that. It’s not perfect for other sets of rules.

Also, why do people always make the argument that it has to be only the top guys in boxing that would kick ass in mma? If boxing works so much better than anything else by itself, then shouldn’t it work for a mediocre boxer against a mediocre mma fighter? Why have we never seen this happen? This is the case for mediocre wrestlers; Rashad Evans was hardly a world class wrestler in college but as a base it’s worked well for him. If people would just go out and try it they’d see that things like clinches and takedowns where you use your whole body against a large and relatively immobile target (your opponent’s whole body) is just a much more efficient attack than when you try to use a small weapon (like your hand) against a small and mobile target (like your opponent’s head).

There are plenty of people on this board who talk like they’re 100% sure of what they’re saying. If they’re not willing to get off their asses and go see if what they’re so sure of is actually true then they should shut the **** up and/or ask questions instead of making emphatic statements that are demonstrably wrong.

 

There were Voids judges, referees, commentators, venue and ring.

They let Void knock him out with brassknucks no joke.

Void is void!!!!

 

Even just simply being better than his opponent's takedown doesn't equal 100% success. First there is always a risk of getting KO'd on the way in and especially in Arlovski's case with his chin. Also if your takedown ability is only slightly better than you opponent's defense then it would require more attempts to get the job done which also means more chances to get hit. So it will depend on how much better in takedown vs. takedown defense as well as how the opponent play his game while closed in.

Well I have to mostly agree with you here, claiming to just toss Tua straight from the ring to the cage raw would give them less than average chance to do well. On my part, I was arguing that a transition is possible depending on how well they can adapt their game by including other aspects neccesary to succeed in MMA. MMA is more complex than boxing that is partly why it is so hard to maintain a perfect record. There are too many ways to make a mistake or having a small weakness that can break you. It could be from stand up striking which consist of more than just punches as legs, knees and elbows could be just as dangerous. Then with ground control that can lead to submissions, GnP, and smothering to drain opponents energy.

[/quote]People don’t need to be pro boxers or even have amateur experience to understand why boxing is a poor single skill to have. I’ve boxed on and off for a long, long time and when I tried kickboxing and grappling and all of them together it really opened my eyes to the extra variables and how your boxing technique HAS to change if you want to be successful. Boxing is 100% optimized for punching with big gloves with a ref. It’s perfect for that. It’s not perfect for other sets of rules.[/quote]

Can't argue with that, even for boxer they cannot allow themselves to strike the same way in the cage as they do freely in boxing rings. Certain poses, positioning and strikes would beckon for an easy takedown, so even that needs to be improvised.

Well Rashad is more known for his striking than his ground work. So having the ability in one doesn't restrict someone in their potential from excelling in another area. If you were to ask me who have a better chance of winning between someone who have a great stand up and no ground game vs. someone who have a great ground game and no stand up ability then I would pick the one with ground game. The thing with Tua is that we simply don't know if he is capable of learning some ground work especially the ability to stuff a takedown. But we do know he have extreme power, great chin, and is a very strong individual which is a pretty decent start.

Can't argue with you there, even people who have experience are often wrong in their predictions in their own game. Nothing is 100% when it comes to a fight, especially MMA when so many things can come into play and one mistake can cause you the fight.

Personally I some experience in both, not a pro or anything worth mentioning but I do have some understanding in the fundamentals. Being a fan of both sports and analyzing fights every so often also helps a bit. I won't claim to be no guru or anything remotely close though. Just here to have a little discussion with my opinions and see what more I learn from you peeps, those who makes sense that is.

 

all these so called great strikers in mma wouldnt last 30seconds with tua in a boxing match but in a mma fight tua would most likely be submitted easily by a top level fighter