Was watching the Joe Frazier documentary and got me thinking,how would the very best of Joe, have done against Ali of the Foreman fight? That Joe was an absolute beast in the FOTC while Muhammad was only just in to his third fight back after exile. So how would this fight play out ( and yes it's still taking place in Zaire)?
Ali would be sporting the forever wear and tear from FOTC and Frazier wouldn't. Ali wouldn't be underdone in prep and fights so the question becomes......is that Ali better than FOTC Ali?????? Foreman was Ali's last great performance, the last time he was truly in shape. The problem with this scenario is that Ali actually fought Frazier immediately before he fought Foreman. That almost completely short circuits the question for me.
Bloody hell John, you've popped my head now lol. Can we say that this is as good as Joe Frazier was in the FOTC, without having fought Ali... can that work? So We're taking the two without actually having clashed against each other but with the same attributes,,age,wear and tear?
If we take the FOTC wear and tear out of both of them (and Foreman's KO of Frazier) I'd pip for Ali. They might come close to death tho.
I think in it's a close one mate,an absolute war. Similar to the thrilla but both younger and less tear on their body's. Joe is pumped like mad, whilst Ali is confident, but at this point he doesn't know just how bad ass Frazier is. Ropadope isn't going to work so it's a real battle for Ali. At the end of the fight both men are shattered and both show the signs of war on their face. Winner by split decision ... Smoking Joe Frazier!!
That amount of wear and tear is just incredible. How many guys can really handle that? AND THEN---just go ahead and add the thrilla in manila to the equation. Who else even comes close?
FOTC Frazier wouldn't get gassed--he'd pound away at Ali for 15 fierce rounds. I think that makes the difference. I'd go with Smokin Joe in a close UD.
Frazier wouldn't fall for the rope a dope, remember in FOTC when he would just grab Ali by his guard and toss him back in from the ropes, his punches would actually put a taxing on Ali compared to Foreman
Would Kinshasa Ali act like the dick that FOTC Ali did to Frazier? that’s really what matters. FOTC Frazier was not going to lose that night because he was burning with raw hatred, raw desire to prove he was better than that guy who called him an Uncle Tom. Jacked his intangibles through the roof that night.