How would Herol Graham have got on against his fellow Brits......?

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  1. ThePlugInBabies

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    of that era...

    nigel benn.
    michael watson.
    chris eubank.

    ....and why did graham never get in the mix with these guys. i'm far too young to remember the in's and out's of the matchmaking at the time. so why was herol frozen out? was it just a case of too little reward for too much of a risk?
     
  2. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    hazy memory but wasn't grahams peak slightly before benn eubank and watson really smashed it ?
    another reason is once benn and eubank moved up to SM he was never gonna follow, much smaller man.
     
  3. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    who knows how he would have got on . certainly at their level and probably more naturally talented than all of them.
    dodgy chin though, always seemed a bit soft to be a boxer, right down to his voice.
     
  4. Small Print

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    I remember hearing Steve Bunce say that Graham was the best British Boxer of the era and that he used to embarress Eubank in sparring.
     
  5. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Graham was at his peak while the others were yet to reach theirs. I think the problem for all of them was that Graham was too awkward to look good against. They didn't need him because there was too much money to be made fighting each other. 1989 Graham beats the 3 of them. I think of the 3, I would give a peak Eubank the best chance over peak Graham.
    Someone mentioned that Graham gave Eubank fits sparring; I remember reading somewhere that Minter sparred with him once and once only.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    I think he beats all 3, but Benn and Eubank could come from behing to score KOs and pull it out the bag
     
  7. My dinner with Conteh

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    He beats Eubank easily, the bet would be whther he shuts him out. He'd edge Watson too, close but UD all the same. I'm going for Benn to produce the haymaker around Round 8 after losing virtually all the previous stanzas.
     
  8. Russell

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    Benn himself had admitted he wanted no part of Graham in a UK television show interview.
     
  9. Rebel-INS

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    Good shout. I think he would definitely be outboxing Benn, but its definitely possible Benn could pull it out of the bag ala Julian Jackson.
     
  10. AlFrancis

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    I don't agree that he beats Eubank easy. I think people are reading too much into the sparring at Brendan Ingles gym. Sparring and fighting a world title fight are 2 different things. Eubank was one of those fighters who could raise his game when threatened. I remember thinking at the time that it was a shame he didn't fight the top Americans because I think he had more to offer. Graham was a good fighter, but he could be outpointed by top quality fighters (McCallum and Kalambay). I don't see him scoring a shut out over Eubank where nobody else came close to that and we are talking prime for prime here. Don't forget, Eubank could bang, and he could do it in the later rounds.
     
  11. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Maybe they do but i'm not them. I'm not in the slightest bit interested in any crappy sparring story. Eubank looked clueless aginst anyone with decent movement and when he had to force the action. Graham would win easily. Even Dan Sherry had Eubank in knots, Chris butted him, had points deducted then won the decision, despite hardly winning a round.
     
  12. AlFrancis

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    My argument is that Eubank could get up for the big fights, Graham lost his.
     
  13. My dinner with Conteh

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    ...and that's a very valid point I agree and it's a decent argument that Graham was destined to lose the big one. But Eubank's best performances were when the opponent took the fight to him. I don't see him laying a glove on Herol, unless, as previously alluded to,Graham was a big time bottler.
     
  14. AlFrancis

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    I agree that Eubanks best was against fighters who came to him, and I can see your point that maybe stylistically Graham could of been a nightmare for him. On the other side, Graham's losing fights were against fighters good enough to make Graham fight their fight and how untidy could he look when pressured? It all comes down to wether Eubank could solve the Graham enigma.
    I didn't mean to allude that Graham was a bottler, he was unlucky to have fought good champions and in the Jackson fight he wasn't even forced into Jackson's fight. He allowed himself to get carried away when he had the fight won.
     
  15. My dinner with Conteh

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    But it is a good point. Graham was master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the big one: the knockdown vs Kalambay, a point deduction vs McCallum, seemingly going for the kill vs Jackson. If someone suggests this would happen vs Eubank is a decent argument, I think it could have happened vs Nigel. But I think Chris is one fighter who it wouldn't happen against, because forcing a fight made him look so clumsy (especially those overhand rights with postcards attached to them). ;)