How Would Holyfield Have Done, Against PRIME Jersey Joe Walcott?

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  1. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Arnold Raymond Cream would have out boxed and picked apart any version of a Holyfield not on steroids. Fair fight , I got Jersey Joe by Knockout. Holyfield on Steroids I got Joe by unanimous decision.
     
  2. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    You don’t know for sure what Holyfield looks like without PEDs for one and two you should just evaluate Holyfield as he was PEDs or not.
     
  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    This might be the best HW Walcott could beat well the best HW I’d favour him over. Gambling with Evander is a lot safer then the Brown Bomber.
     
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  4. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    Holyfield TKO 9 behind slightly on the cards. Wolcott had a style advantage but Holyfield was just greater imo.
     
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  5. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It is likely Holyfield-or anyone with his body structure-could easily be a lean 190 clean, & likely 205 just as lean.
    Nothing is for sure, but this accords with what is very possible without PEDs, & he had no symtoms, from sudden baldness to heart issues, when that size.

    No I should evaluate Holyfield anyway I like.
    And it is only fair & rational to consider a match where both parties do not take an unfair, illegal advantage.
    It is also more discerning-nobody needs to confine themselves to just what was, nor be told to do so.

    Walcott had a big frame, with steroids, or just with weightlifting done properly, he might be better.
     
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  6. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the fighters weights were capped at 200lbs I'd favour Walcott.
    He, Walcott was trickier than 15 hyper monkeys and the way he got messrs Charles, Louis and Marciano to walk onto his punches was straight out of the "how to set a trap for your opponent" book of boxing.
    When was his peak, who knows ?? and I firmly believe that Mr Cream had the handcuffs on in a lot of his early bouts.
     
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  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Holyfield's stamina and workrate would give him enough to beat Walcott. I also think Walcott would make him look bad for the first 5 round, but that's not enough to win the fight
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Holyfield always really reminded me of Charles. Charles may have been more skilled but Holyfield had better punch resistance. I say Holyfield eventually gets Walcott under control with dry boxing and turns up the heat late. Wide UD for Holyfield who monsters the final third after 10 very close, clenched rounds.
     
  10. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield wasn’t less skilled than Charles. He had every shot in the book an he could throw them in combos. Unlike Charles he wouldn’t have gone 2-2 with Walcott. Would’ve been 4-0
     
  11. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield wins
     
  12. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    An old Holmes is still way better than an old Walcott