How would Hopkins have done as a heavyweight?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think out of the list I gave he'd go 50-50.

    Peter was quite inconsistent but if he turns up in shape he should be able to do it. But if he fights like he did against Toney or Chambers he has nowt down.

    Haye is a strange one, I think someone with his physical gifts should be a great fighter, but he didn't seem to put it together once he hit the mainstream. But with his hand speed and power he should be a handful for anyone.
     
  2. mostobviousalt

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    He would only have to replicate what an obese sick Chagaev could do for 10 rounds, but for 12 rounds.
    So all he has to do is not gas, which is unlikely since Hopkins won't try to finish him.

    I know boxrec lists Chagaev at 6'1, but he's 5'11.
    Colloway is listed at 6'2
    [url]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Ruslan_Chagaev_MUC-20060108.jpg[/url]

    He'd just have to slip whatever Browne throws, which should be easy enough.

    Basically do what Haye did to Valuev and just throw a few bodyshots while on the retreat the whole fight.

    You can think Browne is more physical than I gave him credit for, but give me your examples of Browne being physical.

    During the Chagaev fight he was just a really poor boxer mover with some power.
    Hopkins has fought guys with similar reach, though not height.
    Slip punch pivot all night.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    Maybe you just rate Hopkins higher than me but I don't see him pulling it off.

    I've already told you which fights of his I've seen.
     
  4. Chuck1052

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    Despite being superbly conditioned, a capable puncher, extremely competitive, fairly skillful, very game, a smart ring general, quite durable and truly great middleweight, Bernard Hopkins would have had a very tough time having success in the heavyweight division. In addition to lacking a great punch, Hopkins wasn't particularly quick or athletic. He also would be quite a bit smaller than any full-fledged heavyweight.

    A pound-for-pound comparison between Hopkins and John Ruiz isn't worth discussing. Hopkins was many times better than Ruiz any day of the years. Having only minimal skills at best, Ruiz was only able to have success in the heavyweight division because he was allowed to use a "jab-and-grab" fighting style, something that should have resulted in him being disqualified every time he continued to use it in any boxing ring. But if permitted to use his usual fighting style, Ruiz probably had too much size and strength for Hopkins.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  5. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins would beat the limited Ruiz. But that's about it.

    Maybe Bruce Seldon
     
  6. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't see him beating Seldon. Seldon was actually a pretty capable boxer and was far bigger (and possibly even faster at heavyweight) than Bernard. Bernard doesn't have the workrate or punching power to keep Seldon honest. Seldon stopped several fighters who were far more formidable at heavyweight than Bernard could ever hope to be.
     
  7. power play

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    Hopkins would of done well against handpick heavyweights like ruiz, holyfield etc holyfield lost to bryd, Moore and tonney all lhw non punchers.
    Tonney tko holyfield , not even Tyson foreman or Lewis big hw's could do that
     
  8. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think Hopkins does well at all at heavy.
     
  9. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hopkins vs Valuev would've been comical to see.

    Haye might've killed him. He's is arguably the worst style matchup at the weight you could make for Hopkins.

    I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that Ruiz is a winnable fight for him, but I still wouldn't call it a slam dunk.
     
  10. steve1990

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    Sad thing is I'd have to go with Ruiz. His style is taylor made for Ruiz.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    How many fighters with Hopkins style did Ruiz beat?
     
  12. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    Ruiz is a natural heavyweight Hopkins isn't. Hopkins doesn't rely on speed and counterpunching like Jones and Toney do.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Yeah but how many people with Hopkins style did Ruiz beat?
     
  14. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    Fres Oquendo
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Lol, nice talking to you mate. Have a good day.