How would Jack Johnson have done from 1899-1904 vs the fighters Jeffires had fought w

How would Jack Johnson have done from 1899-1904 vs the fighters Jeffries had fought when he fought them?

For arguments sake, the best 10 fighters Jeffries fought were Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Sharkey, Choynski, Griffin, Jackson, Ruhlin, Munroe, Everett, and Armstrong. Jeffries record vs them is 13-0-2.

Of these fighters, Johnson lost on points to Griffin and a was Ko’d slightly past his prime Choynski. Jeffries destroyed a more prime version of Everett in 3 rounds, and Munore in two rounds, Johnson got decision wins over Everett and Munore in a 20 and 6 round match respectively.

This means that Johnson starts off at 2 wins over Everett and Monroe, 2 losses to Griffin and Choynski, and 2 draws to Griffin. 2-2-2. This leaves us 10 other matches to examine / predict vs the below fighters:

Fill in your picks on the following fights:


Johnson vs Fitz in 1899 and 1902


Johnson vs Corbett in 1900 and 1904


Johnson vs Jackson in 1898


Johnson vs Goddard in 1898


Johnson vs Armstrong in 1898


Johnson vs Sharkey in 1898 and 1899


Johnson vs Ruhlin in 1901


I’ll reply later with my thoughts.

 

Thanks for your input. I am surprised with the picks. Are you aware that from 1898-1904, Johnson had the following results vs lesser fighters than the above men?

Draw in 1898 to Henry Smith
Draw in 1898 to Jim McCormick
TKO loss in 1899 to John Klondike Hanies
Draw in 1899 to Pat Smith
Draw in 1900 to John Klondike Hanies
Draw in 1901 to Jim Scalon
Draw in 1901 to Billy Stift

IMO, none of these people were nearly as good as the fighters I matched against Johnson. Yet you pretty much picked Johnson to clean house vs Fitz, Corbett and Sharkey...IMO these were lesser fighters than Choynski and Griffin, whom defeated Johnson.

I don’t think Marvin Hart is better than most of these fighters either, and he defeated Johnson in 1905.

 

Can you give us your picks on all of the fights Luigi?

Johnson vs Fitz in 1899 and 1902

Johnson vs Corbett in 1900 and 1904

Johnson vs Jackson in 1898

Johnson vs Goddard in 1898

Johnson vs Armstrong in 1898

Johnson vs Sharkey in 1898 and 1899

Johnson vs Ruhlin in 1901

Thanks. I send in my picks later. Let's just say for now, I don't think Johnson would sweep Corbett, Sharkey, or Fitz in the years I listed.

 

Yeah, when Sharkey was " shot " as a fighter. In these dates I gave when Jeffries fougth him, Sharkey had plenty left in him. Sharkey was hard to hold off. He was stong as a bull, and hit hard A prime Sharkey was quick enough to get the better of Corbett and Choynski.

Basically Sharkey is a much better version of Hart. I think he TKO's Johnson in 1898 or 1899.

 

My picks:

Johnson vs Fitz in 1899 and 1902: Fitz via KO in both fights. Fitz was still at the top of his game, and Johnson was not during these years.


Johnson vs Corbett in 1900 and 1904: Corbett via UD and Johnson via TKO. The 1900 version of Corbett would have beaten Johnson on points. By 1904, Corbett was older and washed up, so I'll go with Johnson via TKO once Corbett fades in the later rounds.

Johnson vs Jackson in 1898: Peter Jackson was in shape for this fight and papers say he regained his old form. Jackson made the mistake of brawling early with Jeffries. It is difficult to tell how much Jackson had left at this point, but at the same time, Johnson was having poor results as well. I'll call this one a draw.


Johnson vs Goddard in 1898: Goddard was a rough slugger type, but he had seen better days. I'll go with Johnson via mid to late round as Goddard would run out off gas.


Johnson vs Armstrong in 1898: Armstrong beat better name fighters than Johnson did up to 1898, so this is a hard fight to call. It is odd that two Colored heavyweight champs never fought. Armstrong could punch a bit and was about even with Johnson on size. I'll be kind and give Johnson a UD here, even though I think draw is most likely.


Johnson vs Sharkey in 1898 and 1899: Sharkey via KO in 1898, and decision in 1899 when Johnson holds his way to the distance. IMO, Sharkey's a bit better than Choynski ( whom he got the better of ) and Haines. Johnson could not hold off Sharkey's relentless attack.


Johnson vs Ruhlin in 1901: Ruhlin was an off and on type of fighter. When he was good, he was very good, however when he was bad....you get the idea. Prior to 1901 Rhulin has already beaten Maher, Sharkey, Choynski, Goddard and O'donnell. Any of these people were better names than anyone Jack Johnson had defeated up to 1901. So who wins here? Ruhlin I think takes the decision.


We started out with Jack Johnson being 2-2-2 with his fights on record vs Choynski, Griffin, Griffin, Girffin, Everett, and Munroe.

Now I will add results to the 2-2-2 starting point:


Wins: 5 Corbett 1904, Goddard 1998, Armstrong 1989 + Everett & Munroe.


Losses: 8 Fitz 1899,1902, Sharkey 1898,1899, Corbett 1900, Ruhlin 1901 + Choynski and Griffin.

Draws: 3 Jackson 1898 + Griffin & Griffin.

Jack Johnson projected record vs Jeffries opponents from 1898-1904:

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