How Would Jerry Quarry Have Done Against Schmeling, Baer etc?

Louis wasn't a rookie, he already dominated world class opponents without much problems.

It would be important to note that Schmeling was clearly past his prime in 2nd fight, yet you only focus on Louis improvement.

Quarry woud stand no chance against Louis from 1st Schmeling fight anyway, so I don't see how relevant it is here.

 

Quarry was overweight and retired when he was the same age Schmeling was when he lost to Louis.

 

I agree that Louis had dominated good opponents by the time of the first Schmeling fight but he was still only 22, had been a pro for but two years. I don't think it's out of order to say he was a rookie and the fame had gone to his head a bit. Too much golf and too many starlets had taken his eye off the ball and caused a dip in form and in stepped Max.

Was Schmeling really so far past prime the second time? He was still active and had won his last seven bouts. He was hardly a shell.

I disagree that Quarry would stand no chance against the Louis of the first Schmeling fight. That version of Joe was ripe for being taken down a peg or two. A strong, durable counter puncher with good footwork like Jerry could definitely have done every bit as well as Schmeling did.

And I bring up the first Schmeling-Louis fight as we are evaluating Max's chances against Quarry. It was Max's signature victory and not to mention it would not have been looking at both sides of the story. Surely, as his signature win, it's an integral part of the debate and hardly irrelevant. It's just my opinion that a) given the distractions Louis was facing, it's perfectly plausible that a fighter as skilled as Quarry could have done similar to what Schmeling did in fight 1 and b) I don't see Louis, even in the form he was in in the Schmeling rematch, making such an impressive statement with Quarry in the other corner in fight two.

 

I think Jerry was a very capable fighter, but no way does he beat Carnera,Schmeling or Sharkey.

 

It is quite telling that Louis couldn't go unbeaten against that gauntlet.

What I would take away from that, is that you would have to be a lot better than those fighters, in order to accomplish that.

Quarry was a very fine fighter, but he was always going to win some and lose some, against the best in a given era.

He effectively had a shot at a weak era, after Ali was stripped of the title, and Frazier stayed out of the elimination tournament.

Getting the title in the mid 30s, would be at least as hard.

 

I'm kinda with you ... Schmeling is a toss up ... maybe Jerry too busy and can take the right hand .. a prime , 1920's Sharkey wins a decision .. unless the ref let's Carnera hug for his life Jerry does a number on Primo and would outpoint Baer like he did Lyle ..

 

Stops Carnera and most likely outboxes the rest imo. He could have been champion. Sharkey would put up a good fight but was rather inconsistent at that time.

 

The only 30s fighter he definitely won't beat is Louis, but I think he gives him a good slugfest too. Schmeling would be a close bout, but he would easily outpoint the clown Baer, and drop and stop the musclebound Carnera. Sharkey would be stopped, and Braddock would take his beating like a man. A fight w/ Galento would probably be pretty entertaining.

 

I'm sure you wouldn't say that if Louis had won this fight. He looked fantastic against Baer, Uzcudun, Retzlaff and he looked fantastic after against Sharkey.
Schmeling was the only fighter who beat prime Louis. He did it by outboxing him, outsmarting him and outpunching him. It wasn't a fluke win with lucky one punch KO - Max was good enough to beat prime Louis. Nobody else from that era could say that.

He was at his best before his first Louis fight, I'm not saying he was a shell but he definitely wasn't at his best. He was certainly further away from his peak in 2nd fight than Louis in 1st fight.

This is the version of Louis that Schmeling fought:

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When did Quarry prove that he could beat such a good fighter?

We could forget about Schmeling win against Louis and he still had much better resume than Quarry.

1. Better fighters than Quarry couldn't have done that.
2. Schmeling was more skilled than Quarry.

Louis stopped more durable fighters than Quarry in 1st round.

 

Why do you think so?

 

Look honestly, he has a case against Baer Braddock, Tunney, Dempsey, Max S, Ezzard and Jersey Joe all those lesser old school champs.

A very strong one but Joe Louis would turn him into mince meat.

 

This. I also don’t see Quarry beating them. Quarry had a lot of talent, but he wasn’t the most disciplined guy outside of the ring and could’ve definitely benefited by having someone other than his father handle his careeer.

 

Funny looking at all the wayyy off differencing of the opinions. I don’t think Quarry gets by Baer or Louis. Baer at his best is an underrated fighter. Better stamina and chin then Lyle and Shavers which was their downfall. Think Baer stops Quarry. Louis I think crushes him. If you go later into the 40s I think Charles wins and Walcott would be a toss up. They both were inconsistent at the very top. I think Quarry most likely beats Carnera Braddock Galento

 

Then why Louis blew out everyone else he faced at that time? He might be overconfident, but it didn't matter against other top contenders.