How would Jerry Quarry...

In his prime Holyfield 90-93 was a great inside fighter who on the inside would tear Wlad apart anybody will tell you that, that was part of the reason Bowe had such good success with Holyfield because he himself was a good inside technician. As I said before and you refuse to answer when has Wlad ever had to deal with a good fighter such as Holyfield? I just cant see Wlad being able to take Holyfields left hook in this fight and a prime Holyfield would be able to get in on Wlad and do some dammage.

 

With some it always turns into an anti K bros thread.

Very close - plus or minus a bit either way. Same w/their chins.

If LL knew he was going to be robbed in their 1st fight he'd have been less cautious when he got Holy in deep **** a few times. Holy was in some serious defensive shells at least twice in Lewis-Holy I. LL was never in trouble.

Wlad took many shots - clean and otherwise - from Peter, who hits harder than roided up CW Holy, and won a comfy UD. Next...

Tommy could bang and had a dangerous left hook, but Wlad is on a higher level. Most fighters are exposed sooner or later. J Louis (chin) was exposed vs Schmeling in their 1st fight, Ali was exposed by Frazier in 1971, Frazier by Foreman,... is this some major point you're making?

 

atsch they are the only reasons that should haved to be posted CROSS ! I could over annilize the situation and simply muddy what is or should be very clear ! Like you do ! That must get boring after awhile doesnt it ? :deal

 

Wlad is bigger than Holyfield, so Holyfield's punches can't hurt him. They'll just bounce off.

 

BOWE had success on the inside because he was the bigger stronger man and also didnt have a very good outside game and so had no choice ! HOLY get get the hell beat out of him trying to get inside against VLAD ! :hi: And for the record VLAD has never fought anyone exactly like HOLY but has had little trouble with similar fighters ! HOLY however fought someone who fought much like VLAD and he got beat and beat quite easily ! :deal VLAD would take him apart !:bbb

 

I'm OVER-analyzing?

Perhaps I should simplify. Ahem...

" atsch VLAD is bigger. He beat bigger fighters, so he's more skilled. HOLY did not beat bigger fighters. :yep He beat smaller fighters, so he's less skilled. VLAD has more power than HOLY because he's bigger. HOLY lost to fighters who are big and powerful. :nut WLAD is big and powerful. WLAD will beat HOLY because he's more skilled, big, and powerful. Big powerful small big powerful small big powerful small big powerful small bigpowerfulsmallbigpowerfulsmallbigpowerfulsmall...."

 

atsch this is simply an ******* statment CROSS ! SIZE and SKILL are a very big advantage ! HOLY never did well against the combiation his whole carreer ( but of cource he would suddenly against VLAD )! And according to you the much larger harder punching mans shots would just bounce off HOLY ! Dispite evidence to the contrary ! :hi:

 

I agree with some of your points but Lewis had alot better chin, Lewis only been down what 2 or 3 times, Wlads been down a total of 11 or 12 no comparison there. Peter did hit Wlad with some solid shots in which Wlad went down 3 times in that fight, Peter if you watch in that fight smothered alot of his punches when he had Wlad hurt which is a sign of inexperience on Peters part. I still think Holyfields sharp punches would be to much for Wlad to handle.

 

Name one fighter Wlad fought who's similar in style to Holyfield.

And it better not be "Chris Byrd, because he's the same size as Holyfield".

 

atsch

Again, three variables--power, "skill", and size. And you didn't show how Wlad is skilled anyway. Is it because he's bigger and his opponents are bigger?

Also, what "evidence to the contrary"? Holyfield wasn't floored by Lewis in TWO encounters, and Lewis hits at least as hard as Klitschko. Your obsession with Wlad's size and power is blinding you to very obvious points.

 

:yep If you know so little about the fighters you shouldnt even be in the debate ! :hey If you need to explain things like your dealing with a first grader whats the point ! VLAD being a fighter who is harder to hit and harder to outbox is pretty easy to understand ! Oh hell I forgot your game of intelectual one upmanship thats is kind of funny to anyone with half a brain !:yep

 

atsch please man give it break ! What evidence do you think you provided to claim HOLY would beat said fighters ! When in fact he had no success whatsoever when faced with similar fighters ! :deal I just dying to ear this convoluted crap ! And for the record HOLY was koed by a lighter hitter then VLAD and saved by the bell when in with cruisers ! Your obsession with glorifying older fighters apparently has blinded you to these facts !

 

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By any measurement, Holyfield is more skilled that Wlad. Better headmovement, foot movement, counterpunching ability. Crisper left hook. A willingness to trade on the inside when necessary, keeping the arms close to his body rather than flailing like Wlad does in close. He had a wider variety of punches--including an uppercut. Kept continuously on the move and was able to position himself far better than Wlad does. Did not move straight back when attacked.

But then, you haven't have noticed any of these things, because you never go beyond the basic "skill"/size/power equation.

 

What similar fighters?

Lewis is the only one who's remotely close.

 

VLADS hook is much harder and fired off the jab so why would you claim that ! VLAD is also harder to hit cleanly and is the harder puncher who is the much more effective boxer according to all stats ! So whats your point again ! Oh yes now I remember ! Your guru status !