How would Ken Norton fair if he was around today ?

Norton could beat most of the **** poor heavies around today ,and pick up a title,but the Klits beat him imo,I especially like Vitalis chances via stoppage.

 

Main reason being they're bums

 

Way to avoid the question my man:good

 

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Verry hard to say.

He would find the average heavyweight today a bad style match but I think the low overall quality would bail him out.

A smart promotor should be able to steer him to a version of the title. The problem would be closing the last gap to lineage.

 

Look at my initial post in replying to Chris, I brought up Vitali's best wins, then copyed and posted the same post in reply to yourself. Those wins aren't against near top contenders

Bean (37yo), Purrity (35yo) and Donald (35yo) were all old and hadn't fought any top30 fighters since the 90s (well BEan fought and lost to Johnson) when Vitali faced them in the 00s.

 

I think he beats the lighter hitters such as Sultan Ibragimov, Ruslan Chageav, and Nikolay Valuev. I could also see him beating Sam Peter and and an old James Toney. Wlad and Vitali are the biggest problems he'd have and I wouldn't pick him to beat either of them. Alexander Povetkin is a question mark, but at this point I don't think I'd pick him against Norton.

 

Doesn't that show he was good at landing his gloves on his opponents on a regular basis with accumulative effect rather than being a big puncher? Considering you did say "V. Klitschko usually wears his opponents down, and is very efficient at doing so"

35 stoppages out of 36 is impressive but it doesn't necassarily reveal that he was a big puncher.

A fighter who wears an opponent down isn't a big puncher. Depending on how many solid chins he's been facing of course.

 

There have been so many fighters in history who were good at "landing his gloves on his opponents on a regular basis", but how many of those stopped 97% of their beaten opponents? Doesn't that tell you something?

He may not be a big one-punch power kind of guy, but he is extremely heavy handed and wears down almost everyone to a stoppage. Although stylistically they don't have much in common, he is a bit like Frazier in that sense. And everyone knows Frazier is all wrong for Norton; hell, even the semi-shot version of Frazier consistently got the better of a prime Kenny, leading to Futch' statement that he can't handle pressure (at the highest level, of course).

Donald, Bean, Johnson, Peter and Purrity had never been stopped before; Klitschko stopped all of them. Norris and Hide were never knocked out as quickly as when they faced him. They were not at their best, but fact is that extremely durable fighters hardly get stopped at all, yet he has 5 cases of them. It adds up.




Nice avatar, by the way. Everytime you seem to have an other one. If you ask me we should give you the ESB 2008 avatar award. :yep

 

True. Klitschko would definitely be below under the Shavers, Foreman, Louis, Tyson, bracket of punchers. He is a pretty heavy handed guy nonetheless. He's grown on me over the years and he'd give most great heavyweights of the past a decent tussle. I think a prime Lewis would beat him down the stretch and possibly get the stoppage. One thing Vitali has on his side, so far anyway, is that his punch resistance has past the test when he's needed it. Byrd was a retirement on the stool, and Lewis was due to a hell of a nasty cut.

Klitschko's power and style aint right for Norton, who comes forward. Klitschko is a pressure fighter, although educated with it. He leans away from punches well, and while his style can be somewhat untidy, he doesn't quite fight in that manner when aggressive. If you get my drift. IMO, he shares a lot with Monzon. They are far from being classed as twins, but they come under the same description. Awkward, accurate, good timing, and damn tough to beat. Not refined fighters, although very effective.

The Hide knockout was rather awesome, the consequences of it anyway. It was a glancing type of shot. It's amazing that some punches can parcially land and have devasating effects. Poor Herbie looked like he was going through a seizure.

I change my avatars too much. I'm the type of guy that can't listen to a CD all the way through from the same artist. A track or two, then another is loaded in. I made that eye avatar myself, believe it or not. It compliments Leonard's detached retina.

 

Deep, hadn't thought about that part yet, unless you're bullshitting but even then, fair game.

 

Chris, I assume you're a heavyweight junkie? You do post about them often, along with fighters from other divisions as well of course.

 

Certainly, though i certainly appreciate lower weights as well, as long as it's not lower than featherweight.

 

Norton would get KO'd by the Klitschko's, he may be able to weather Chagaev and Valuev but I am not sure...There were not too many good heavys around in the 70's just Ali,Frazier and Foreman...Shavers was a puncher but was KO'd in 1 by Quarry beaten and dropped by Stallings, KO'd by Stander,Cobb,Mercado...these guys today fighting in the 70's would bring large amatuer pedigree which only Foreman,Frazier and Ali had...Chagaev, Klitsks, bring huge amatuer experience and now solid pro experience