How would Lennox Lewis have handled the rope a dope?

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  1. XCalibur79

    XCalibur79 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've always been curious about this what would have happened had prime Lewis been in Zaire against Ali instead of Foreman. Like Foreman, Lewis was a big puncher around the same height, an inch or two taller. Frazier handled it better because he had a lower center of gravity and Ali had a more difficult time protecting himself on the ropes cause he had to get lower, but he was roughly the same height as Foreman.

    So how would Lewis have handled this? HE was a bit taller than Foreman, but it seems likely Ali would have used a similar strategy against Lewis.

    I've always been interested in this cause I've always considered him physically similar to Foreman except he was a smart boxer. I don't think its that Foreman was dumb but in the Ali fight he believed his power could overcome anything. Lewis would clearly not have been under that illusion, so I don't see him punching himself out like Foreman did.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm guessing that Lewis would have picked his shots better, and not come in so recklessly and walk into straight shots so often.

    Foreman may not have been a dumb fighter overall but I think he fought pretty dumb in Zaire. At the very least, he was being irresponsible on defense by repeatedly coming in and leaving himself so open down the middle. It wasn't as if Foreman suddenly tired and Ali started winning, but Foreman was losing throughout.

    I'm guessing that the rope-a-dope wouldn't have worked on Lewis. If it was being effective after a couple rounds, like it was on Foreman, then I'm guessing Lewis would have switched it up. Perhaps after some pleading from Manny Steward.
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree, Lewis would have adapted to this without too much trouble and it may not even have worked given his reach as it basically protected Foreman from hitting Ali in the head. One should also realize that the rope-a-dope wouldn't have worked in the states, or anywhere else, because they would have tightened the ropes.
     
  4. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    The rope a dope was utilized because Foreman wouldn't let Ali move and pushed him to the ropes.

    I doubt Lewis would execute such a game plan but if he did Ali would obviously get wrecked.
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A prime Lewis couldn't even handle the Mercer Dope, Ali would have made him look silly IMO.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Treble the jab and keep range. It wouldn't be a style that could work against Lewis.
     
  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But Ali wouldn't need to do this tactic to beat Lewis anyway.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that the rope a dope would have played into Lewis’s hands.

    He would have seen the stationary target, as an opportunity to pick his shots and score points, rather than a target to go all out on.

    He would have been more methodical.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would further add, that he might also have been able to land head shots, something Foreman was unable to do because Lewis's reach is about 7-8" longer than Foreman's. Essentially what Ali did was use the loose ropes to protect his head by leaning back enough to avoid getting hit, and then it allowed him to focus on covering up the body, which is all Foreman really could go after. I think Lewis would have been able to land head shots, which would have negated the whole strategy.
     
  10. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali would have been in a lot of trouble if he had used this strategy on Lewis. Lennox would have used his jab to force Ali to shift his guard, allowing Lewis to catch him with other shots.

    The rope-a-dope worked once. It never really worked after that, though generous judes gave Ali credit for laying there doing nothing.
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The rope a dope wouldn't have worked very well on Lennox. He wouldn't have taken the bait, like Foreman and others did...instead, he would have selectively plied his jab to probe the way for an occasional right hand....and he certainly would have been too smart and cautious not to get wild and crazy.
    LL would have been a nightmare for Ali, in that he would use his Plan B style, like he did with Holyfield.
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Lewis was mega patient.

    He'd just jab the hell out of Ali, not going wild.
     
  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly:good
     
  14. XCalibur79

    XCalibur79 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis had an 84" reach, Foreman's was 82". That's only two inches difference.
     
  15. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    A Manny Steward fighter would have no problem being content racking up points with the jab and boxing conservatively for the win. I highly doubt it'd have worked on that Lewis.

    An earlier version, perhaps.