how would marciano do in a differnt time period

Liston was still a very good fighter when he faced Ali, and went on to some good wins afterward. I believe that Liston firmly beats Marciano. Frazier would be a good fightm but I feel Frazier was superior in most areas. And I give him less than a 25% chance of beating Ali.

 

I think he would have done quite well, though I dont buy that he'd bulk up to anything approaching 220 pounds.

It's funny how some new fans will talk badly about him because of whatever reason, saying he was bad defensively and this and that. They should try watching him fight. The man was not exactly easy to hit. His defense was at times pretty good, if awkward.

 

Yea, I guess you're right. Well I'm learning new stuff everyday :thumbsup, but seriously if Marciano was fighting tonight, I agree, he would totaly rip ass! :bbb

 

less than 25 percent?? Even though a 45 year old Marciano impress Ali even making Ali said he have no ideal what it would be like to face a PRIME Marciano.

I make the fight a pick em. Liston was slowing down, he could beat the journymen like Wepner ete, but I dont see him beating Fraizer(Assuming it was made) and I dont see him beating Marciano either.

 

Liston never defeated another rated fighter after the Patterson fights. His winning streak between 1966-1969 was only an effort to keep him active with the hope that a big opportunity might come along. He lived in Swedan for a year while being promoted by former champ Ingemar Johansen. I think after Ali was exiled from the game in 1967, Liston's handlers had hoped to get him back into contention in Ali's abscence. Liston's first match in years with a fighter who even remotely resembled a contender, was Leotis Martin. Sonny fought galantly against him, but ultimately lost in brutal fashion.

I would probably pick Liston between 1959-1963 to beat Rocky Marciano, but any version of Liston during or post Ali, would sway my vote towards Rocky. Marciano was far too aggresive and powerful for a faded Liston who was basically fighting stiffs after he lost the title.

 

He probably beats a '70s Ali, and I'd make him a slight favorite against Frazier, but Foreman gets the edge over him. In the '60s, I expect he could beat the Liston Ali fought, though a '58-62 Liston would be a very tall order.

 

He would be a super middle today, current heavies would crush him, even the mediocre ones

 

Rocky could have been champ in several decades of heavyweight boxing, but I don't think he would do as well as he did in his own era and retire un-defeated. Marciano fought from 1947-1955. Can anyone else find another eight year stretch of heavyweight boxing where Rocky would have been would have been un-defeated and made six title defenses? I find this question fascinating. I have one or two 8 year stretches in mind where Rocky would have a good chance to be un-defeated.

Here are my reasons as to Rocky did as well as he did in his own era, and why he would have a tougher time being out of his own era.


1 ) Rocky was born at the right time when his chief competition was older and on the decline. He retired for good at a relatively young age of 32. If his competition had been a bit younger, Rocky might have lost a fight. Had the purses been a bit higher, Rocky might have opted to fight on. Had the judging not gone his way in 1-2 fights, Rocky might have lost his un-defeated status.


2 ) Rocky really did not face the same amount of dangerous punchers as most other champions did, nor did he face many top level guys with good durability at heavyweight.


3 ) Rocky was also a well managed fighter. Rocky’s manager was Al Weill might have taken too much money from Rocky, but he certainly moved Rocky at the right pace.


Rocky was essentially fighting journeyman or guys on the decline 1-2 years before his title shot with Walcott. After 42 fights, Marciano got his title chance. In other eras, he would have been moved at a quicker pace for sure.


4 ) The limiting of rounds from 15 to 12 would have diminished Rocky’s chances to come back as he did in his own era. Some eras had 10 or 6 round title fights. The longer the match for Marciano the better off he would have been.


5 ) Rocky was one of the shorter and lighter champions. He also had the least amount of reach. As the fighters got bigger, longer, heavier,and stronger, things would become more difficult for Rocky.

 

I think he could beat Frazier in a war, and I think he could beat Ali at least 1 out of 3, as for Foreman and Liston...it depends on a lot.

 

he would've been KO'd in holmes's era and tyson's era.

he would've done good from the 50's + below.

 

Outside of Holmes, who was there for Marciano to give him a run?? I think Marciano would make quick work in the 80's, and perhaps repeat his 49-0 record. Unlike Holmes, Marciano would beat Spinks imo.

 

Marciano would beat the crap out of a lot of the top fighters in all eras.

If he were around today, maybe he'd take advantage of the 36-48 hour pre-fight weigh-ins, and be able to cut weight to 175.
He'd MASSACRE any light-heavy in the world today, totally devastate them.

Then he'd move to cruiserweight, comfortably fight at anywhere from 185-205 on the night, and there's no one who'd stand much of a chance against him, IMO.

At heavyweight, well, I feel he was big enough to hold his weight at 205, with no need to bulk up. I believe he sweated and sauna and starved himself a bit to get to 188, so at 205 I reckon he'd be effective.
That still makes him light against today's heavyweights, but I think he has such great POWER and toughness to be an equalizer.

Tall guys might be able to lean, smother, and wrestle out of the danger zone against Marciano, but only the most skilful guys would be able to make it a winning strategy, and Marciano can catch any of them with a finishing punch. Very few of them would be remotely capable of beating Marciano.

Judging from proven form, I'd make him a favourite over any of them at any given time, I'd have to pick Rocky, but there are a few big guys who MIGHT upset that prediction.

 

[FONT=&quot]While Marciano could hit, it took a lot of blows to bring down Charles, Moore, Cockell, and Walcott. I think Marciano's power was somewhere between an 8.5 and a 9. If he had Modern padded gloves 12 or 10 oz gloves, it would take a small amount of the power off his shots.

When I watch Rocky, I think it was an attrition of blows, and keeping his power as the rounds went on that allowed him to score TKO's / KO's more so then irresistable one shot power.

I do think Rocky could fight well at the 200-205 range. It’s just his no jab style, and lack of striking distance would become issues vs the bigger and more skilled fighters from Liston to present. As an in-fighter, Rocky could be pushed around a bit on film vs guys his size. A bigger guy who could clinch well like Ali, Lewis or Klitschko would have a huge weight and size advantage in the clinches

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I'm suprised so many people pick Marciano to beat Wlad. I think Klitschko would batter him, before stopping the fight in around round 7. Marciano is too small and lacks the skill to get around Wlad's size. I'm not being bias towards modern fighters, but Wlad vs. Marciano is one of those fights I just don't see the older guy winning. Klitschko has almost everything in his favour, except chin which probably wouldn't come into play.

Wlad TKO 7.

Vitali would also ruin Rocky as well.

 

While Marciano would be bigger if he fought today I don't know if he'd be 6'2, 220 pounds or not. The problem with this thinking though happens all the time. If you place a fighter in different eras and adjust him accordingly you have to adjust more than just the positive attributes.

People like to claim older fighters were tougher and that the heavyweight title meant more and fighters fought more often (which they did fight more). People say todays fighters are lazier, out of shape, and less driven. So if you put Marciano, or any past fighter, in today's era you also have to adjust him across the board not just the areas more desirable.

Would Marciano be just as tough in todays era? Or would he grow complacent off of huge HBO and PPv dollars? Who hasn't heard Haglers quote about training and silk sheets. Would Marciano be just as determined to be and stay heavyweight champion today when that title clearly doesn't mean what it use to? Would Marciano's growth as a fighter, and he did get better as he gained valuable experience, be stunted by fighting so infrequently like fighters do today?

I personally don't know how Marciano would be effected in todays, or any other eras, climate. Either pro or con. If Marciano were to fight today he would be a different fighter shaped by a number of factors and noone knows just what he'd be like in todays boxing world. So if I were to put Marciano in another era I'd put him exactly like he was.