How Would Modern Training Techniques Would Have Changed Past Fighters?

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  1. cuco64

    cuco64 Member Full Member

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    Imagine a Marciano, Lamotta, Jack Johnson, Robinson, Demsey... Any of the greats with todays techniques... Man, that would be so great to see these guys fight with those types of trainings... Imagine a Lamotta with speed... A Marciano with agility... Holy ****!

    I'm reading a biography of Jack Johnson... Sometimes he couldn't eat for days and would take a fight and sometimes have to fight 2 guys in 1 day.... Man.... I can't imagine... Any of you guys get the chance... Read "Unforgivable Blackness, The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson".... Great piece!
     
  2. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The biggest change would be the weights that they fought in. Rocky would have been at the highest a supermiddle, Robinson a jr welter or maybe even a lightweight, Lamotta a welter maybe even a jr welter. Those guys fought so often that they usually just fought at or around thier walk around weights. Today with the 6 to 8 week training camps and the advancments that have been made on cutting weight and staying strong would have forced those old school fighters to fight much smaller today.
     
  3. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    biggest factor would have been diet from an early age.

    it would have made them all heavier and bulkier than they were then if they were fighting today.

    that is the reason there were so many flyweights and bantams in those days , simply because the poor nutrition and diet of the working classes meant there were so many smaller people than there are today.

    jimmy wilde fought about 60 uk flyweights and they were the top ranked flyweights

    i think there are about 2 uk flyweights out of a population of 60,000,000 today.
     
  4. ghostlybadge

    ghostlybadge Punch Drunk Full Member

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    and that was wilde's walk around weight he used to weigh in in full clothes and still come in under the flyweight limit
     
  5. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    They would be probably have more muscle, but worse stamina.
     
  6. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Their core strengths and weaknesses would not change much. Their strengths may be enhanced some, but essentially they'd still be the same sort of fighters. IE. Slow guys would still be slow, weak punchers would still be weak punchers. (Perhaps to a slightly lesser degree, but not by too much)

    Two aspects I do see changing is:

    1) They'd hold onto their primes longer, or at least extend the downside of their careers for longer periods.

    2) They'd be able to jump up to higher weights than they actually did.

    Robinson for example, would have challenged Maxim weighing an actual 170-175 pounds or so, instead of the approx. 160 he actually weighed.

    These two factors could have made a big difference to their legacies, imo.
     
  7. kmac619

    kmac619 Active Member Full Member

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    They would also have been making more money so more time for training and not having work a 9-5 on top of boxing.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I'm starting to think cuco is a subtle troll.
     
  9. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    If by "modern training techniques", you mean steroids/supplements/chemicals/bull semen along with the healthy diet, you'd probably see more guys having won more titles in higher weight classes because they'd handle the extra weight better.
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP Guest

    Very little change in the modern era. "Modern training methods" is the most overstated and ridiculous theory. You've got a tin of whey, so what.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    They would gas at 12 rounds.
     
  12. riggers

    riggers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    one thing they might lose is their 'hunger' , what would Rocky and Lamotta have been without their burning hunger ?
     
  13. Bo Bo Olson

    Bo Bo Olson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    more ****ing half weights....yep, Carmine Bascilo could have hung on to a Lt. Middle.....Robinson might well have been super Middle champ.

    Half the guys today could not make the jump up a full weight to take on a One and Only Champ...instead of some 1/4th 1/2 weight champ.

    He like the contenders gets to pick and chose which Champ he preferes to fight and not the one and only champ.
    Back inthe old days if a Cahmp reached down to fight someone who was 6th or 7th single line contender he was having a easy tune up fight.

    Most of the Champ's manditories today are, 6th or 7th best fighter in his HALF weight.

    So I think many fighters today that you are so proud of would never have become the One and Only Champ at all, much less Champion of the world in two real weight classes.
    Armstrong would have been 7 weight Champ at the same time.