How would prime Larry Holmes go in the current era ?

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was you that went off on a gay tangent, son.

    Threatening me with very gay consequences.


    Now, back to the original topic.

    Once you calm yourself down and respond to posts you disagree with in a respectful and courteous manner, you'll probably be taken more seriously.

    You can go back and read how you responded to other posters in this thread if you're confused as to what's meant here.
     
  2. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    you should keep your nose in your own business
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    You should take your own advice.
     
  4. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holmes would be the dominant champ now as he was before.No one around now would trouble him .
     
  5. MUFA$A

    MUFA$A FEAR * THE * TANK Full Member

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    Holmes would school the hell out of the current HWs today .

    I still cant get over That beautiful Jab !
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    Holmes peak fighting weight fell between 210 and 215 almost every time. He was 6'3" with an 81" reach.
    You could say peak Foreman fell between 217 and 225. His height was 6'3 1/2" and reach 78 1/2". Granted Foreman was stronger and more powerful but real world size between them is not that much really.

    Holmes would go quite well right now. Why would he fight at Cruiser for sfa money when he could knock the heavies off?
     
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  7. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    are you serious? george foreman fought at 230 pounds in the amateurs at 18, larry holmes started his pro career at 188 pounds in his 20s, foreman fought at super hw in the amateurs and holmmes not... itis pretty obvious that foreman had a much bigger frame apart of being a much stronger man. george drained his weight in order to improve stamina in his early career, as amateur he could fight at his natural weight (230) because he had to fight 4 rounders...
    larry holmes had a narrow weak frame and foreman was thick and wide, he could carry much more weight effectively.
    about the other topic i disagree, i don´t think that holmes would domiate today, man.. be realistic.. holmes strugled to handle physically guys from the early 80s when the hws weighed 215-220 pounds. he was not a speed demon neither nor very strong...
    if we are talking about giant guys like valuev pretty slow then yes... but we are talking about athletic, strong like hell and skilled 6´6 - 6´9 guys
     
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  8. blackhercules

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    You must be talking about another Povetkin because the one who keeps getting caught using PED's is a average boxer. But to each his own. If you want to live in your fantasy world where is is more than he is in reality then good for you. I would day the 50 year old Holmes that fought Butterbean would be too much for slow plodding drug cheat Povetkin.
     
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  9. blackhercules

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    Why is Fury name keep being mention as if he did anything with his career besides do cocaine, make sexist and racial comments and beat a 127 year old shot Wlad? Ortiz has yet to do anything, Wilder and Joshua hand pick their opponents even more so than guys like Joe Louis did 70 years ago.
     
  10. GoldenHulk

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    Oh dumdum, needs spanking very bad!
     
  11. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime Foreman in great shape was a 220-225 pound hwt. Holmes in prime shape was a 210-215 pound Hwt. Weight or size is not a deciding factor between these two.
     
  12. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    you are ignoring conveniently THE FACT THAT FOREMAN WAS A NATURAL 230 POUNDER EVEN SINCE HE WAS 19. AND HOLMES WAS A SKINNY GUY WHO WEIGHED even 195 POUNDS WHEN HE WAS 24 IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THERE ARE A CLEAR DIFFERENCE OF NATURAL SIZE HERE.
    EVERYTHING WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS PICKING WEIGHTS SELECTIVELY.
    HERE YOU GOT THE LIST OF THE WEIGHTS OF HOLMES UNTIL KEN NORTON IN 1978.

    IN HIS DEBUT

    1973 AT 24!!! HE WEIGHED...(he was basically a cruiser weight)

    202 POUNDS
    202
    201
    201
    196
    204
    203
    1974 at nearly 25!!!(he could make the cruiser weight limit)
    206
    199
    208
    1975 at nearly 26!!( he still could make the cruiser weight limit at that age!!!)

    205
    203
    200
    209
    209
    203
    209
    210
    1976 he was nearly 27
    206
    207
    205
    1977 he was nearly 28
    208
    210
    211
    212
    1978 he was nearly 29
    210 for shavers
    and 209 for norton!!!

    AND NOW TELL ME THAT HE WAS NOT DEVELOPED UNTIL HIS 30s lmao.

    foreman at the same age.(they both was born in 1949 but holmes in december still it does not make any difference)

    1973 at 24
    217 1/2
    219

    1974 at 25
    224 1/2
    220

    1976 at 27
    226
    224
    229
    232

    1977 at 28
    228
    229

    in 1972 holmes was losing with bobick in the limit of 201 pounds foreman was weighing 225 pounds when he knocked out joe murphy in 2 rounds in the same year.

    if you or anybody is trying to tell me that they are similar in size you are nothing but a stupid troll.
    the difference was bigger than you are trying to insinuate
     
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  13. Wass1985

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    Let's be honest here, draining yourself doesn't improve stamina.

    There's not much between the pair, both are pretty big men.
     
  14. Richmondpete

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    Anyone who thinks wilder or Joshua has the ability tp give a peak Holmes trouble needs there eyes checked asap
     
  15. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    his team tried to adapt his body weight to the longer distances of the professional fights it was i meant, and yes, there are a notable difference between them in natural size, principally frame, check my former post