How would you ATG rank Fury, AJ, and Wilder RIGHT NOW?

Like i said, you upset the balance by under valuing his wins.

You became the one thing you swore you never would.

You were the person you least suspected.

 

Pointing out the circumstances isn't undervaluing. Aj has no definitive claim over Norton and shouldn't be top 20. He doesn't even get past Floyd Patterson

 

Fury ranks higher than aj thats for sure. He might scratch the top 20, his wins over unified 10 year unbeaten champion Klitschko, Chisora three times, Whyte and undefeated reigning champion Wilder collectively put him just ahead of aj

 

Fury top 25. Joshua top 35. Wilder top 55.

 

Well if you can claim pointing out circumstances is over valuing, then you have to accept others will view pointing out circumstances is undervaluing.

Like you said, youve upset the balance here.

Norton, I believe, went 10-7-1 against fighters who graced the top ten at some point in their careers.

Joshua, I believe, has gone 13-4 against fighters who graced the top ten at some point in their careers.

Joshua was once regarded the best HW on the planet, Norton never was.

If you wanna rank AJ below Norton and Patterson, you should do. Its your ranking. But dont tell others how they should rank him.

 

Regarded by whom ? It wasn't the consensus you think it was. Wilder had a huge fanbase, blasted guys out as a champion when aj was undefeated, won the belt before aj won his and one shotted Breazeale 2 weeks before aj got power washed by Ruiz. Aj has better statistics than Norton but not better wins

 

Yes Tyson's is deeper, which is why I have him ranked higher. That being said I don't think it's a that big a gap.

Tyson's best wins look something like(not in order):
Holmes (old inactive and undertrained)

Spinks (3 or 4 fights at the weight, former light heavy)
Tucker
Ruddock
Berbick
Thomas(drug addict)
Bruno
Tubbs
Botha

Joshua's:
Wlad (old and inactive)
Parker
Povetkin(old)
Whyte
Ruiz (fat)
Takam
Pulev(old)
Franklin
Wallin

Tyson's is certainly better and he has a few ok wins outside of that list aswell, but the gap isn't THAT big. The main difference for me is that Tyson's performances were better.

And IMO Norton doesn't have the title run or resume depth for me to rank him above these guys. Young win was controversial, Ali win was great, Quarry was a solid win, Bobick is an ok win at it's very best.

 

By everyone, by you also. From when he beat Klitschko, till when he lost to Ruiz we all had him number 1.

We all regarded Wilder as a joke at the time. You mocked him, so did I.

You tried in vain to compare their wins hut you were struggling and started saying doe. Always a sign someone is struggling. It should be spelled "though"

 

Tysons actual resume:

Spinks
Old Holmes
Tucker
Bruno
Thomas
Williams
Tubbs
Smith
Berbick
Ruddock
Golota

All of these guys are former champions or top 10 contenders.

Why in the world is Franklin, Wallin and Takam noteworthy wins for joshua ? People have to pull these meaningless wins out to add some fluff to ajs record. Thats like adding Savarese, Seldon, and Botha to Tysons resume, all 3 wins mean nothing, but they were still fringe contenders

 

Not everyone, not even close. Countless people around the globe favored wilder to put ajs lights out before he lost to Ruiz, and even more people held the opinion right after he flatlined Breazeale with one punch. This is a fact. Retrospect will always be a valid lense to look though and Fury already had his professional comeback by 2018, was still more accomplished than joshua.

Joshua does not have a better resume than Ken Norton

 

Golota was a no contest, forgot about Williams and Smith but Williams wasn't that great, Smith was coming off a good on paper albeit suspicious win over Witherspoon but I'll give him that. Point still stands though. as I've said Tyson's resume is better, but it isn't a resume that's exactly leaps and bounds better.

Parker could be argued as being a better win than anything there other than maybe Holmes and Spinks.

 

Maybe ? Lol. Parker isn't much better than Tony Tubbs to be honest, and Tysons collective wins eclipse joshuas at the end of the day.

 

Joshua: 21

Fury: 26

Wilder: 53

 

Downplaying Parker. He's had a much more successful career than Tubbs. And if Joshua got a win over guys like Hrgovic and Bakole he'd arguably be about equal in resume to Tyson. Wins over Zhang and Kabayel and he'd have a case for having a better resume. Wouldn't need any more than 3 or so decent current top 15-10 wins to catch up to Tyson's resume. A difference of 2 or 3 decent wins is not a large difference. Tyson has a better resume but not by a lot.

 

I think Breidis gave Usyk a tougher fight, once he figured Fury out, he was literally punching him from pillar to post, and it should be down on his resume as a TKO. Chisora has 13 losses, including two heavy stoppage losses to David Haye and Whyte, and lost every single round to V. Klitschko.

Chisora is a gatekeeper, so I'm intrigued what you mean in terms of "the hell he's given to everyone else" - I don't buy the narrative that Usyk was in anything other than 2nd gear against Chisora and he's lost to every top 6/7 guy he's faced. I actually think the opposite, I can see his resume ageing terribly - especially the Ngannou, Wallin, and John McDermott fights, and the fact he has fought Chisora more than once is more of a negative than a positive I think.