leonard retired because of the retina problems, i'd hardly call it ducking hagler when leonard had never fought as a middleweight in his entire career. ray had only fought kevin howard in the space of 5 years and was a massive underdog, so the majority of people thought it was ray who was shot. i personally thought marvins previous fight against mugabi was one of his best performances of his career (though in fairness it probably took something out of him in hindsight). your clearly a bit sensitive over roy jones having no chin, no heart, and no plan B :deal
Great post.Great.How many ATG's as well as not so ATG's couldn't accept their own mortality due to their egos or links with the past.Well said,SnakeFist.
No,but Leonard did spend years talking about fighting Hagler.Years.Even long before the detatched retina situation.The truth is he was the one that kept bringing it up because he needed to be the center of attention to feed his massive ego.It didn't matter that HE had never fought at middleweight,because HE was the one that constantly brought a Hagler fight up.In fact,he even invited Marvin to his "will he or won't he" retirement party and Marvin was too gullible and indulged him.And by the way,just how many fights did lenny have after the Hagler fight?If you think that the Mugabi fight was one of Marvin's best performances then it is obvious that you have no idea who Marvin is or anything about boxing because Marvin couldn't get out of the way of the Beast's punches as his reflexes were shot and feet seemed like they were stuck in quicksand.As far as your Jones' comments are concerned,I'm not sensitive at all as I'm not that big of a fan.I am just completely astonished at your utter bias,delusion and total stupidity.:deal
I've got about 10 books to get through first but I'll get round to re-reading it. There it is right there. Do you think Bunce would have said this? No, of course not. It's a dumb blonde who doesn't know her arse from her elbow about boxing, JC identifies this and skates over her comment quickly. By your logic Calzaghe doesn't view SRR/Greb/Ali etc as legends, am I right in this assumption? Afterall they've all been beaten multiple times. Somehow I believe Joe knows his place. Actions and decisions? We're going to have to just disagree here. A huge rip off is a huge rip off whatever way you cut it and the magnitude of a fight is everything, Jones rip off pales in comparison. To an extent it's not the falseness of what you've written, it's the lacking of common sence, in particular: Think about it. JC would never fight Jones, yet he fought him. Saying Jones isn't shot and is still great in a build up to a fight... last time I checked that's called 'marketing'. Jones was shot and wasn't great after the 2 losses to Tarver, infact I find the notion that Joe would say he isn't willing to fight him when he's at his most vunerable is ridiculous, if anything it was to try and get to Jones.
your pickin on a little detail about the ego thing. ray leonard had a ego, i don't really give a **** about that. what i liked about ray was that he was the total package. he could fight in adversity, he had balls, he didn't rely totally on his skill set, he had a chin, heart, and the ability to fight when his back was against the wall. you may be right about hagler getting hit too much against mugabi, but that fight showed that marvin had the will and talent to go to war against a fighter that really extended him. he showed how a great fighter fight in adversity. i think marvin beating prime mugabi was a very good win.
It was a maybe a decent win because Marvin still had the heart and chin,but certainly not the ability,to beat a good guy because it was obvious that he couldn't avoid punches anymore.That should have been the fight to tell Marvin that it was time to retire.But,according to the Marantz book,Marvin had been thinking about it for a while.That's why he was fighting once every 1-1/2 years at that point.It's also the reason that he took almost 3 months to decide to fight Leonard.And yeah,we all should give a **** about the ego thing concerning Leonard because Leonard would be the first one to brag about "beating" Marvin whereas he wanted nothing to do with Marvin while he was prime.So he may have been the "total package" except ,of course,when it came to challenging Marvin(which he always spoke about) when Marvin was prime.
Please re-read it when you get a chance(or just index the Jones part when you can)as you're ignoring a very important segment.And as far as your making excuses for Calzaghe's lies,the autobiography was released long before the Hopkins fight and that interview happened during the preparation for the Hopkins fight,as the Jones fight wasn't on the radar yet,so much for your marketing theory.AND,you yourself admitted that Jones was shot,Calzaghe knew it and admitted it,but still changed his tone after Jones beat the equally shot former welterweight Felix Trinidad.Shame on Joe for lying so badly.And are you sure that Joe knows his place(whatever that means) in the history of boxing?Joe segued quite nicely with the bimbo to bring up the undefeated thing so that one's out,too.You want to make excuses for Joe's lies,go right ahead.It's a free forum.But your theories just don't cut it.
i'm sure your still living a life a luxury after the millions you bet on leonard winning that fight :nut. look you can word this which ever way you want but - leonard fought hagler after having only 1 fight in 5 years - leonard fought hagler in his 1st fight at middleweight - hagler was a huge favourite to beat leonard - leonard beat a man who hadn't lost in 10 years(?) - roy jones has a glass jaw - roy jones had no heart - roy jones feasts on civil servants and sanitation workers - roy jones never had a plan B - roy jones was scared to go abroad and test himself against the best - any sane person will never rank roy jones above ray leonard.
every time i watch him fight, i want to go to the gym and ask the trainer how to fight like that. you know what i mean?