How would you describe a prime Roy Jones?

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  1. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    i was a massive leonard fan in the day, and when jones emerged in seoul i watched him like a hawk in those olympics because of how he reminded me of ray. theres no doubt he was robbed in 88, he was the best boxer in the olympics by a mile.

    i'm not for the jones wankfest though jorodz because great fighters like ali and leonard had everything in their locker. trying to put jones in the same category is wrong. lenoard and ali could mix it with anyone when it got tough. as well as being incredibly skilled and fighting the best around, they both had a great chin and incredible heart.

    jones possibly had a greater skillset than both but his heart and chin is not on the same planet as them 2. its not just about what you've got offensively, its about whats in the locker when your backs against the wall.

    to answer your 3 points

    1 - tarver's a c level fighter

    2 - the offers made by jones were **** offers due to his over-inflated opinion of himself. if you didn't know calzaghe in his prime, then shame on you. it doesn't surprise me though because most americans think america is the only country on earth.

    3 - calzaghe was nowhere near prime v jones. a fighter who relies on workrate is nowhere near his peak at the age of 38, especially one with brittle hands.
     
  2. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't bother,Jorodz,this person couldn't care less about facts and logic.He just wants to reinforce his prejudices.
     
  3. SnakeFist7

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  4. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You don't even know who I am.I used to be a big Calzaghe supporter until he absolutely lied about Jones.And if you don't want to admit that he did,keep pulling the wool over your eyes and deluding yourself.As as far as Americans thinking America is the only country on earth,don't you think that that statement demonstrates your massive prejudice,thereby removing your "ability" to be rational and logical and making you as close-minded as those you feel the need to berate?Plus I am not a Jones nuthugger.I am a so-so fan as I always hated his showboating,but he was a great fighter in his prime and no one can take that from him.And even though he is a ****ing liar whose resume is not as good as Jones'-I'm talking overall,not 168-I still believe that lyin' Joe was a great fighter,whereas you can't accept that Jones was a great fighter.Tsk,Tsk.What a ****ing shame.
     
  5. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Perfect combo of "Speed + Power"
    Too bad he wasted his talent not challenging himself during his best years.
     
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  7. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    honestly, though i may disagree with some of your points i can respect this post. the objections you have with jones are legitimate, i'm just trying to keep them reasonable. jones' resume is not great. good but not great and he could have done so much more. at the end of the day, it's a big part his fault that he didn't make the fights. end of. you're right: ali, leonard were on a different level overall because they proved it in the ring! so much with jones is based on conjecture and what ifs...too much. his talent is obvious but when you're fighting ppl so beneath it's hard to measure the intangibles.

    he completely dominated solid opponents. I'll go to bat for jones that his opponents were very good but not the best. there were about five fights that would have put him into the top 10 all time, 10 fights that would have put him top 5 if he had taken them and won. and he should have made at least some of them happen. chin, heart, versatility? who knows

    1)tarver is b- but not that elite.

    2)the offers made to some were inflated, others reasonable. nature of the business but the benn and collins fights should have been made. haha and no, i'm not american. i'm canadian. we aren't blinded by natural pride in our boxers because we have none...that's why we had to steal lennox lewis from you :tong

    3)from what i've seen of prime calzaghe i'd rate him 7/10 at the jones fight. roy was a 4/10 to be generous

    good post again headbanger, just trying to keep the argument level
     
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  9. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    your a quality poster jorodz.

    apologies for calling you american pal lol
     
  10. Jorodz

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    haha, you to man. and no worries, plenty of great american posters on here. they don't ALL live in a bubble ;)
     
  11. Clinton

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    Re-read the autobiography because it's in there.I don't know the page number as I don't have the book anymore.If I find it,I will post it again here.If not,here's something for you to see for yourself: youtube.com/watch?v=AWDtzdAYTOA.Calzaghe mentions it 6-6:30 into the interview.The best part is Calzaghe and the stupid BBC blond bimbo comiserating about how Hopkins couldn't be a legend because he's not undefeated.America obviously isn't the only country with stupid blond bimbos.What a pair of idiots.As far as the magnitude of the fight was concerned,that's not what I was referring to.I was referring to the actual actions and decisions of the fights,not the amateur Olympics vrs the heavyweight Championship of the world.Whereas Lennox definitely beat Holyfield,Jones actually dominated the Korean.I'm not a Lewis hater,just a Holyfield fan.I have no idea where you got the "I don't like this guy.He didn't fight my guy,therefore he ducked my guy.I'll talk some bollocks." quote.That's obviously your nonsense talking.As far as parking your brain at the door quote,you need to look at yourself because nothing I have written is false.You know the saying,if the shoe fits.And if you have the honesty to accept Joe's lying,just re-read the passage in the book and see for yourself,IF you're capable of admitting your boy's a liar.
     
  12. Clinton

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    You are aware Leonard is American,aren't you?You are aware that Leonard spent the greater part of 6 years ducking the man in your avatar,constantly teasing that man and all boxing fans while waiting for Marvin to become shot,right?And I'm sure you know that Leonard had a "will he or won't he" retirement party in his hometown indulging his own massive ego and charging the fans admission to get in.I guess Jonesy isn't the only one with an "over-inflated ego",is he?
     
  13. SnakeFist7

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    Jones was a terrific fighter, incredible in his prime, unlike any fighter that has ever laced them up. HE DID fight good competition and beat two ATG's, a natural heavy, among a list of champions. However, his standing could be much higher given his natural talent and capacity had he made better decisions. It isn't his fault if some people didn't want to take the fight at times, but more could've been done to make the fights happen. It is not all his fault, but he is not faultless, the guy was a egotistical idiot at times. The Hops fight could've happened in 02, 50-50 split, even if it was Hop's fault it didn't happen as he should've accepted the 40...

    In a perfect world, Jones would've, after defeating Ruiz, stayed at heavy fought Byrd and tried to go for Lewis. Even if he would've got KO'd, it would've been a LHW challenging a heavy. Or a lesser ending, he should've did what he said after the first Tarver fight if he couldn't get a fight with Tyson, retire from the sport. Had he done this, this image of a helpless Jones, so opposite to his glorious prime would not be etched into the minds of boxing fans. It pisses me off, a fighter his caliber should never go out LIKE THIS. I mean Ali and some others went out bad, but Jones after prime has been KO'd 3 times, 2 of those times in the early rounds. And to see him all helpless and wobbling around, the **** is sad. It's one of those aspects that I truly hate about boxing. When a person does it for so long, psychological, they seem to feel they are the same boxer, even though they are clearly past it and can do nothing about it -- but the attachment is so strong to the past, because in terms of consciousness, they are the same person they always were, but their body has eroded and no longer can keep up with it. Then you have to endure them get KO'd and brutally beaten, until they have to come to terms with their own mortality and that they will never be the fighter they once were, how it all came and went, nothing more than a memory. Tragic man, which is why making fun of shot fighters getting KO'd is the lowest of lows.
     
  14. MaliSlamusrex

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  15. Jorodz

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    :lol:dude you are funny as **** sometimes