How would you Make Khan better?

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  1. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    because if he keeps him at range theres nothing garcia will be able to do. His foot speed is too slow. And his punches are very wide.

    THe only reason garcia landed that was cos khan kept exchanging. He doesnt need to.
     
  2. BigmanJapan

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    :lol:
     
  3. dendy

    dendy no easy way out Full Member

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    fair enough but khan has never proved to me that he can execute this kind of gameplan unless it is against another fighter who's strength is also on the outside. Garcia has proved to be very good a timing his opponent and is a decent inside fighter with a chin. Khan struggles all day with this kind of fighter because he is just not strong enough mentally to fight the style necessary to be successful.

    He doesn't punch nearly hard enough to discourage these tough *******s and instead has to rely on combos and flurry's, therefore leaving himself open. He has no option other than to jump in, his footwork is average and he often finds himself square on with his chin in the air. Basically he isn't a good enough boxer to be in control of someone like garcia for a full 12 rounds.

    The writing was on the wall against maidana whom for me lacked the stamina/skill to finish him when he had him out on his feet. Many a ref would have stopped the fight too. Then we have nigh on the same situation with peterson whom also took khan to hell and back..
     
  4. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    Order him NOT to exchange with opponents under any circumstances. For the first 2.5 rounds of the Garcia fight, he was coming right at him trading shots and looking to make a statement. He cut Garcia and beat him to the punch consistently, but then he was timed, caught, and that was that.

    If this fight demonstrated anything (other than Khan having an even worse chin than previously thought), it's that he doesn't have the right style for someone of his attributes. Khan's two best attributes are handspeed and footspeed.

    The first thing he has to do is adjust his guard and stance to better protect his shaky chin. The first thing he'd have to do is keep his chin down against his chest to brace for impacts, whilst also keeping his left shoulder up to cover the side of his chin, with his left fist held around chin/chest level. His right hand, meanwhile, should be held straight up around the same height as his eye, to keep the other side of his chin protected. He's vulnerable to big, looping power punches, and this guard would help mitigate that to some extent, whilst leaving his left hand in good position to parry away/deflect incoming punches, or jab high or low.

    Offensively, he would have to change his entire mindset. Khan is aggressive right now, and he would have to be less aggressive. Using his handspeed, height, and length, I feel he would actually make for a good counterpuncher. If an opponent were to lead with wide right hands or left hooks as Garcia did, Khan would be well advised to shoot out a single jab (possibly parlayed into a second head or a body jab) or a lead right hand respectively before getting out. Alternatively, if one were to throw a straight right at Khan, his best bet would be to try and slip to his right while throwing a left hook to his opponent's temporarily exposed body, before again circling out to his right. As for an opponent's jab, the best counter for Khan here would be a straight right over it.

    Khan likes to flurry a lot, and while this is tempting with his handspeed, it's unwise and leaves him open to attack. He'd be much wiser to stick to solid single shots or 2-3 punch combinations, started with a single potshot to an opponent's lead before capitalizing on Khan's handspeed to sneak another punch in there. In particular, against Garcia, his head was hanging out a bit, and Khan focused mostly on jabs and straight rights against it. Considering his handspeed, Khan would be wise to sneak in a left uppercut under the chin following or preceding a straight right at times. However, hooks or looping rights, or even right uppercuts, would all be an absolute no-no for Khan as they would leave him to vulnerable to getting blasted.

    Inside, his best bet would be to try and keep his right arm high and use the forearm/elbow to push on his opponent's face a bit (kinda like what Floyd does with his forearms in close) before hitting him with a left hook to the body or a left uppercut while circling out to the right and throwing another straight right. It's clear that Khan is physically not that strong, and gets more tired out by wrestling with his opponents than they do, so he can't be doing that anymore.

    In short, to improve Khan, I would try to make him a conservative, defensive counter puncher. He tries to be a boxer-puncher, but it's clear he doesn't have the chin to be aggressive and attack opponents anymore. More generally, it's also clear that he needs to get himself a new trainer who will try and work on his footwork and punching technique, as both of these are still underdeveloped; Roach seems to rely on the athleticism of his fighters to lead them to victory as opposed to gameplanning or honing their technical skills. He should seek to use his handspeed, footspeed, height, and length to keep opponents at a distance and beat them to the punch before moving out to try and counter them again.
     
  5. yingyang

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    That overhype needs a jaw transplant and neck transplant.
     
  6. dendy

    dendy no easy way out Full Member

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    Agree. Khan needs a big change in style and his single shot punch power has to be developed in order to realise the success he desires. not sure khan has the mental capacity to realise and make it a reality though. he believes his own hype and lacks the intelligence necessary imo
     
  7. JohnAnthony

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    Maidana fight for most of the fight, Garcia closes the distance nothing like Maidana.

    And the Kotelnik fight. Again kotelnik was much better at closeing the distance.

    Khan was brillian in that fight. Very boreing but never lost a round because he was that nervous of getting hit.

    He needs to fight more like that,
     
  8. JohnAnthony

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    Can we have more posters like Hawkfan who provide insightfull boxing knowledge on this forum.

    And less posters Like YingYang

    :)
     
  9. james!

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    Manny Stewert is a great pick for Kahn, personally id tell him to just jab jab jab! Get in then out quick, he needs to use his speed to his advantage more, teach the guy some defence on the inside, he has no inside game, get one. But his strength is on the outside, he needs to stay there and pick opponents off at range.
     
  10. dendy

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    My point is that he constantly gets caught with something big, prescott, maidana, peterson and garcia have all proved this to be the case. kotelnik bless him couldn't break an egg and lets not forget the mccloskey fight.

    Garcia didn't need to close the distance like maidana does and did. He is a decent counter puncher who is good a timing his shots. The kid is very underated at what he does and spent the first 3 rounds setting khan up for that shot, it was no lucky punch
     
  11. MAG1965

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    This is not that fixable. Khan is experienced enough, so he cannot claim he didn't have experience. This is just his style and I don't think he can fight the way he could to utilize that great handspeed. What he would have to do is learn how to use the jab to set up punches and win rounds or get knockouts. How can you fix this? He is experienced enough. Fought and outclassed Judah and then loses to Garcia. he does not have the boxing fundamentals to avoid the big punches. I like his speed. He is great with his speed, but with this style of throwing punches while in the range of opponents punches and not having a great chin. I cannot see how he will not be beaten again if he fights this style again. He can improve on it, but eventually he will get confidence and walk into a punch again.
     
  12. Ted Spoon

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    For a start his posture is generally poor, elbows spiked outwards with his gloves near his chest.

    He needs to cut a more elegant figure in the ring, and then, yes, as many have said, he needs to learn to be more patient; with speed like that chances will come - he need not press the action so urgently.
     
  13. Tim_Burr

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    Quit idolising Pacman. Instead spending his days jerking off to Mannys fight tapes and taking instructions from his pimp, he should start watching the real Deuce Bigalow, aka, Mayweather.
     
  14. JohnAnthony

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    i disagree. He's not slick like mayweather. he doesnt see punches comeing like mayweather.

    He's not a warrior like manny either.

    He needs to copy someone like a tommy hearns when he chose to box he was unbeatable. Or a Klitchko.

    Someone who keeps it simple with a snappy jab and one two's,

    I think he needs to learn the pacience of a modern mayweather and not rush in so much.
     
  15. Tim_Burr

    Tim_Burr Full Member

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    I agree with all that. I really meant he should be a safety first policy fighter. This warrior macho **** Pacman does just isn't him. The influence of Roach and Pac on his style is probably what's wrong right now - I've heard Khan and Roach talk about how an emphasis on attack will overcome an opponent - Khan's chin just isn't up to Manny's - the blueprint for one doesn't work for all. Khan would be better off seeking a simple style based around his all round speed, anyway just my opinion.

    In the 3rd round Khan just stopped moving and looked like he prepared to load up his punches and go to war. Look what happened.