How would you rank these 3, and why?

Don't listen to this guy. Pep was soundly beaten by Angott. The New York Times notes that Angott, who was boxing coach at Wasington and Jefferson University at the time, "treated his opponent like a willing student in the first five rounds, then coasted the final five." Angott enjoyed an easy fight that night.

Some fighters just don't translated well out of their weight class. Pep is one of those cases that perfectly illustrates the point. Armstrong would have dominated him.

 

Armstrong
Greb
Pep

there actually my 3,4,5th P4P

 

That's what I'd always heard. Nat Fleischer, who loved Pep and seems to have secretly disliked Angott, said that Angott bullied him around the ring all night long and never gave him a chance to score points. By the end of the fight, Pep was beaten up and exhausted.

 

He would hunt pep down, but how much results would he get? This isnt going to be another frazier trapping ali on the ropes. Pep was damm near impossible to hit with a clean punch and Pep has unbelievable footwork, he can get himself out of harms way anytime he pleases. When armstrong closes in on him, pep is going to throw smooth fast 4-5 punch combinations, this is going to add up points.

Perhaps, but pep never lost a fighter in his weight class on points due to crowding, so no one has ever taken advantage of that. Armstrong however was outpointed by swift boxers, I think the key to stopping a human jet like armstrong is top notch defense and footwork. I never once noticed Pep's stamina to be a problem, he put up some very good workrates in some fights Ive seen.


It would be a great fight, and your opinion is just as justified as mine. If armstrong pulled it out, I would not be suprised!

 

Mr. Marvel aka revolver, megaman, pepping it, hank your act is tiresome and everyone now knows who you truelly are. Please leave the forum before I have you banned again.

so that still doesn't explain how he won. 5 rounds to 5 it seems the new york times is reporting.

 

Pep-Angott was not a beating for Pep. Angott was nicknamed 'The Clutch" and his grab and hold style for some reason threw Pep off. He was not in same class as Pep. Either Pep had off night, or, being it was old tiems, maybe Pep had to lose?

 

I have read in more than one book than Pep-Angott was a very disputed decision.

 

Mac has said it all for me.

 

Sources?

 

Greb
Armstrong
Pep
Greb's resume is as strong as anyone's ,I think you have to make allowances for his losses because of his hectic schedule.He beat rated men in 3 weight divisions .
Armstrong 3 titles simultaneously ,and he may very well have deserved a 4th , another with an insane schedule, that contributed to his short time at the top.
Pep ,probably the greatest pure boxer ever,dominated his division,a couple of skeletons in the closet ,[possible tanks,Perez ? ].Who could out box him?Whitaker ,Driscoll might give him a run but outpoint him? No.

 

1. Armstrong
2. Greb
3. Pep

 

Armstrong..... His terminal action and activity would be enough to trouble any fighter, even today. His record is second to few. His accolades are second to few. His rewards and title accomplishments are incredible.

Pep...... With a totally first class boxing ability, schooled, professional, timed, seasoned and enduring... he is incredible. Should be top 5 in any books.

Greb.... Limited power, as most 'no decision bouts' in the USA of the day must have been based on fighters 'agreements', Grebs record is blemished by the Journeyman appearence. In effect, 50% of his bouts must have been nothing more than sparring exhibitions, with crowd entertainment values. Hence, the majority of his fights were followed by another within weeks.

 

The more I research Greb, the more impressive he becomes. In my estimation, he is #2. And that may be only because I haven't seen him fight. No one's resume is hands-down better than his. He's fought whipped more hall-of-famers and champions in 3 divisions than I can count and was regularly outweighed. He was also either going blind, or was blind in one eye for the last half dozen years of his career.

Armstrong is top 5. He seemed unstoppable, but really had a relatively short prime. Greb, however, was a tornado to Armstrong's hurricane. Grebs' work rate in the ring was extraordinary and his activity beats every other elite. Armstrong is the second best swarmer all time.

Pep is the most highly skilled of the three. By far. But even his miraculous win over Saddler II doesn't overcome several of Greb's wins over larger men.

Roughly: Greb - #2. Armstrong - #4. Pep - #6.