How would you rate Gamboa's win over Rios....

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  1. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    ....compared to other wins in the sport over the past five years? :think


    Assuming all of the below happens:
    • Rios comes in decent shape.
    • Rios performs to his usual standard (or more).
    • He [Gamboa] dominates him on points or stops him.
    • No controversies involved (referee, a Cuban hatman, etc).
    Basically, a scenario where you can say very little to discredit the win. Yes, there's Rios' weight issues, but Gamboa himself is jumping up two classes to face a guy who's arguably been the most fierce lightweight of the past two years. The playing field is even.

    Now, I know it's hard to say without actually seeing it happen and how the two actually perform in there. But, right now, how would you rate it in over past 5 years? Top 10? Top 5? Top 3? The best?!! Or are there any other great wins you'd like to remind us of, or compare it to?
     
  2. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    I would rate it above Pacquiao's victory over DLH, which is rated as one of the best wins over recent years (and is an easy comparison)...for a couple of reasons.

    #1. Rios is far closer to his best than DLH was (Rios has nothing on DLH at or even close to his best though).
    #2. Rios is only recently having weight issues, in HIS weight class...he is not dropping down weight classes.


    Jumping up two weight classes is a great feat in itself, adding to the victory. If Gamboa were to stop Rios, that would be a great, great achievement...especially considering Rios' already proven chin. I can probably think of more...but yeah, great victory.
     
  3. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good points. Especially #2. I'd have it above the Oscar win, too.

    How would you rate it compared to Pac's win over Cotto? Where Pac, at the time, was still considered to be a small guy (a LWW at best) that was still an unknown commodity against a live welterweight.
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

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    It would without question be one of if not the best victories of the year. It would put Gamboa in early position to win FOTY, honestly.
     
  5. Uncle Rico

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    For sure. It's hard to imagine anything else topping it. Only upsets like Bradley-Pac, Macklin-Martinez, etc, would surpass it. Even those would be maybes depending on how they're won.
     
  6. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    I wouldn't rate it above Pacquiao's victory over Cotto. I rate that victory very, very highly. Pacquiao-Hatton, I could see an argument in it being up there with that victory if Gamboa was to pull it off...but you also have to take into account that Rios, although relentless, is a lot cruder than Hatton (even if Hatton walked onto shots against Pacquiao, it's because Pacquiao made him walk on to them).

    Good thread, makes you think. :good

    Gamboa W Rios >>> Pacquiao W DLH.
    Pacquiao W Cotto >>> Gamboa W Rios.

    Pacquiao W Hatton and Gamboa-Rios somewhat even whilst taking everything into consideration.
     
  7. Uncle Rico

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    :good

    Kinda' agree with you. They're almost the same, but I think I'd have Pac-Hatton slightly higher. Because as you've said, Hatton was a far more proven fighter. A two-round demolition over him, whilst being considered the smaller guy, was ridiculous. Trounced everyone's expectations despite being the favourite.

    Rios, for all his size advantages, has many, many, many flaws that that make him susceptible to a boxing lesson. Quite a few people on here don't even rate him that highly (I personally disagree). The same wasn't said for Hatton at the time. His aggressive style was well established and respected by most.
     
  8. AnthonyW

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    Thinking about it again, for all Rios' relentlessness and chin, Hatton himself was known for his pressure. Hatton was considered the bigger guy, as is Rios, but like you said...Hatton was far greater in terms of skill, and had reached a higher peak in the sport compared to that of Rios (so far). I was definitely underrating Hatton in that comparison. :good
     
  9. zarman

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    What are the odds for him winning by KO?
     
  10. Boom_Boom

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    Not that highly at all. Gamboa is the slight favorite for a reason and it isn't because of popularity. Also Rios is very limited and has been exposed as being easily outboxed. Those who have been following boxing for a long time and aren't ignorant will adhere to the boxing law of speed triumphs over power.

    It would be the equivalent of Guzman's win over Soto.
     
  11. PowerPuncher

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    The only problem with this is, if Gamboa makes Rios look bad because he's better, then people will devalue the win. That would be a case of 'being too good for your own good'

    I'd rate it as a very very good win, because I rate Rios very highly. The only thing is Rios isn't that proven, he's very good but hasn't proved himself a great yet. But both are prime so it's a hell of a match up
     
  12. Bladegunner

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    this bull**** about pac v cotto again. Please stop trying to recreate history pac was the clear betting favourite against cotto. You bet £500 on pac u would make £181 profit. You bet that same amount on cotto you would have £1150 profit. It was quite clear pac was the favourite and the task of beating up a less than stella cotto coming off a controversial win over clottey was not that great to begin with.

    However how you rank a gamboa win all depends on how high you rank rios. I don't rank him that high at all.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    Rios has a much better defence, better jab and better puncher than Hatton. No Pacquaio didn't make Hatton walk onto shots, Hatton has always lunged in with wide hooks. You maybe able to make a case for Hatton having better faster footwork and being stronger
     
  14. AnthonyW

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    Who actually cares about betting favourites in an unpredictable sport like boxing? People throw betting odds around all the time, it amounts to shite all.

    Much better defense?

    You have basically just agreed with me :think Pacquiao MADE Hatton walk on to shots.

    No maybe about it, Hatton had the faster footwork...night and day really. :huh
     
  15. Uncle Rico

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    Gamboa’s only a slight favourite. Not that I care much for betting odds. Boxing’s a sport with so many varying factors that these betters do a poor job of taking into account. And Rios isn’t as hopeless as most like to make out. Yes, he hasn’t been tested by that many world-class boxer-movers, but against Acosta he showed that he can still give them hell whilst being outboxed. I would mention his Peterson fight, too, but I guess it doesn’t help that Peterson decided to slug it out with him instead of boxing. Rios has proven himself to be a beast. And the fact that Gamboa is jumping two weight division to face him, means he’ll be putting his speed and skill to the test big time.

    It’ll be an impressive win whatever happens.