How would you rate Leonard if he cleaned out 160 after Hagler?

He would be rated MUCH high if he took on Hagler about the same time Hearns did.

 

no i think mccallum would of beat him at that stage of leonards career i think the body attack would of got to him,hagler i think would of pulled one last great fight out before his skills had completely gone and gained revenge.just my opinion and no i dont hate leonard

 

leonard himself said he had spotted someting in hagler when he fought mugabi i think he spotted that haglers ability had eroded somewhat and took his chance

 

It boggles the mind how this is overlooked.

Both Hagler and Leonard had seen better days, but at least Hagler had been active and was naturally bigger.

Unbelievable performance by Leonard.

 

Two years in Boxing years is a long time. Look how bad Leonard looked In the Hearns rematch? Only two years after the Hagler fight. He was knocked down & was on very shaky legs most of the fight & got a "Gift" at the end of a fight he clearly lost.

 

La-Califa, it depends on where the two years are. If the two years are the last two years of your career, then you're right but others here dont seem to get it do they?!? Clearly, not all ESB posters are of equal stock.

By the way, I like this particular thread. It demonstrates to me a willingness to expand one's horizons

As to the question itself, H'e not cleaning house. No chance and no way! That's why we never saw these bouts come off but instead watched him take low risk low reward fights that no one with their head on straight bothered to pay for.

What would have actually happened? Kalambay would have decisioned him with ease. Nunn would have knocked him out with that big left hand.

These are young, hungry fighters eager to make a name for themselves. Top contenders or partial champions, not some shot relic no longer dangerous to other fighters in the same division.

I dont believe McCallum's body blows would have brought him down tho. Mike gets overrated because of his nickname. If anything he would have taken him out late. Ray might very possibly survied to the 12th and final round because Mike wasnt the heaviest of sharpest puncher and leonard seems to do better against this type.

 

Too bad he didnt follow it up with a meaningful defense. His fans dont seem to demand very much from him. Are you afraid he might lose? That his luck might run out?

 

Exactly, How would have Leonard-Hearns II have panned out in 1987? Right after the Hagler fight.

 

Tommy was never the same fighter after the Shuler fight but going into 1987 was more resilient than after being hammered by Roldan, Barkley and Kinchen. Not only more resilient but better reflexes so Tommy is going to get the decision without major problems that we saw in 1989.

And forget about the eye keeping Leonard out of boxing. The truth is he was an overpaid, condescending superstar who could afford to make comebacks against low risk opponents. He wouldnt dare risk his anatomy against anyone that fit the description of young, ahtletic or up and coming. He knew the real McCoy when he saw it and he kept his distance.

and if he didnt, well, you saw what happened

 

I'm not talking about what came after it, I'm talking about the Hagler victory. One of the greatest wins of all time. :happy

 

He may even rate higher if he had fought Hags again.

 

Yeh Right Yer can't go wrong if yer got a judge that scored it 118-110

Harry Gibbs who should have been the judge (instead of Guerra/118-110) scored the fight 4 Hagler but the hagler camp objected 2 him seeing he was Englishatsch

 

I scored the fight myself and I had Leonard up by a point. Could have gone either way. Amazing win from an amazingly talented fighter. :good