How would you rate Marvis Frazier

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  1. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Member Full Member

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    His dad should have aligned Marvis, with Eddie Futch, who could have taught him better skill and brought him up very carefully. Marvis should have developed his own style. His father's style is not suited for him. Futch would not have thrown him in the line of fire right away.
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i agree . Sort of like Bert Cooper, but in my mind a little better skills of boxing but not as much firepower.
     
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  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very good fighter that was unfortunately injury prone and had a bad neck, which is why Joe threw him in with Larry Holmes despite Marvis having only 10 fights, since even Joe admitted that he didn't think Marvis's body would allow a long career. Tyson on the otherhand was just a terrible style matchup for him, since Marvis was used to having faster hands than most of his opponents, which wasn't the case with Tyson, but he still foolishly tried to beat Tyson to the punch and got destroyed.
     
  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Perhaps should have learned his trade at cruiser weight. And had another manager besides his dad, because he needed someone more objective. They say that he was a very good boxer type, but his dad wanted him to be a swarmer.

    We saw what happened vs Tyson and Holmes and I don't see him dealing with the coming Bowe's, Lewises and Holyfields of the world. Perhaps he needed to change his style and needed more experience, which he should have gotten at cruiser. And then if he could unify there, perhaps made the move to heavy.
     
  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Why does Pat M always like your posts??
     
  6. Mike Gould

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    An excellent amateur (56-2) who tried to adapt to a pro game with an ill suited style. A bit out of time and place as (like mentioned earlier) he was more suited to cruiserweight (especially 200lbs, not 190). He had neck surgery early on due to a nerve problem in his neck so he was probably never going to have a long career in either division. It should be noted that he beat Tim Witherspoon, Tony Tubbs, David Bey, Mitch Green, Jimmy Clark and James Smith as an amateur! He ended up as the #2 ranked amateur heavyweight and won the 1979 National Golden Gloves and 1980 National AAU titles. George Benton was his original trainer and foresaw Marvis adopting a defensive outfighter style as he transitioned into the pros. Unfortunately for whatever reason it didn't work out that way.
     
  7. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jackie was the better Frazier Joe had.She broke Laila's nose, Marvis could barely break into a sweat.
     
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  8. West of Hollywood

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    Fighters like Joe Frazier are the exception. The odds of Frazier's progeny having his power, chin, and skills is close to zero. Marvis was a good heavyweight and is a good human being. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
     
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  9. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he’s a sterling example to illustrate the old platitude “styles makes fights”. Blown out by Tyson in nineteen seconds but beat Bonecrusher Smith more decisively than Tyson did. (That was probably Marvis’ best performance.) Of course was clowned an taken out by Holmes in one as well.
     
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  10. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Damn, that’s kind of like punching a hole in a Sargent portrait. Laila Ali was so good looking when she was young. (She’s still not bad now.)
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    I haven't watched Frazier - Smith forever but wasn't it a controversial decision with Frazier dropped at one point? Despite having an awkward night against a guy hellbent on surviving Tyson won 11 rounds out of 12 or thereabouts.
     
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  12. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I haven’t either but I remember Marvis outboxing Smith pretty conclusively and Tyson looking frustrated and smothered against him (though of course still clearly winning).

    Maybe my perception will change upon revisitation. There was a time when Tyson vs Stewart looked to me like a pretty clear dive but when I rewatched it more recently it looked much more like Stewart really was hurt.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Hey fair enough Sting. Have another look if you get time mate. Maybe it is i remembering wrong.
     
  14. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. Styles definitely make fights, since I think Marvis also beat James Tillis more decisively than Tyson did as well.
     
  15. Oddone

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    Marvis was naturally around the 190lb mark. With weights and training he made heavyweight but would have done better at Light Heavy or Cruiserweight. His style as a pressure fighter was fine until he ran into guys like Tyson and he had no plan b. Overall, average skill set but suffered from an over bearing father who never let Marvis box like Marvis.
     


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