How Would You Rate Mayweather, H2H, at Each Weight?

130 - Alexis Arguello
135 - Roberto Duran, Ike Williams, Pernell Whittaker, Henry Armstrong
147 - SRR, SRL, Thomas Hearns, Jose Napoles, Luis Rodriguez, Emile Griffith, Kid Gavilan

I'd favour all these to beat him.

 

I thought about this, but Terry was such a dumb fighter that I wouldn’t favor him. I’m reminded of how Judah couldn’t do anything with Mayweather in the the second half of their fight despite having speed and power advantages.

 

You're not making any sense.

"History overwhelming shows us that fighters are in their prime from around roughly age 23-33. There simply aren't enough counter-examples to question this paradigm."

This was You before. When you mention 23-33, early to mid 20's definitely falls right within that bracket. So if I ask you if Pacquiao was better technically and in terms of skill in his 20's it shouldn't have been hard for you to say yes or no.

If You can't answer then aren't you conceding that there is a big difference between a fighter's athletic peak and their "skill" peak? That's all I'm saying. It's as clear as day Pac made many subtle changes and improvements even in his 30's and improved overall as a fighter even if he had less explosiveness and raw speed than in his 20's. That's all I'm saying.

He definitely improved mentally as he was no longer the reckless charge in like a bull and unload fighter he was before. He respects his opponents now and is much more mindful of range, pacing, defense, etc. There are literally hundreds of fighters whose skills improved past the age of 30, including aggressive front footed fighters like Pacquiao. Im not sure why this is so difficult to accept when you can literally just watch earlier fights and then compare them to fights against Rios, Thurman, the Bradley rematches etc and see dramatic differences.

 

What a ridiculous argument. Winky would be undefeated at 154 if he only had three fights there too.

 

Top 3-5 jr light his absolute best weight, he was his most dynamic here.
Top 10-20 lightweight
Top 5 -10 Jr. Welterweight based on potential, and lack of real top tier talent at the weight, he didn’t stay at weight long.
Welter 15-20 I maybe am being generous but he is severely overrated at the weight in my opinion, smoke and mirrors.
Jr middle, more smoke and mirrors here. He doesn't beat most of the top tier talent at this weight that held a championship.

 

No. He would’ve lost to Canelo, who was better than Vargas, Simon, and Vazquez.

 

lol Winky would beat prime Canelo let alone the version that Floyd fought. He is everything Canelo hates in a fighter.

 

You’d have to be out of your mind to think that a guy who lost to Vasquez, Vargas, and Simon would roll through Canelo, Cotto, and De La Hoya without losing. This is not how the world works.

 

Have you ever actually seen these fights? The vast majority of boxing fans believe Winky won the latter two, and the fight against Vasquez was a farce on a ring so slippery the ref himself slipped twice.

Regardless of how you scored the fights, "fighter x lost to fighter y, ergo he must lose to fighter z" is a ridiculously simplistic view of the sport and not how boxing works at all. The fact of the matter is that Winky Wright was a ridiculously awkward defensive southpaw who has a master of pressuring without getting countered. He gives anyone fits at 154, especially undersized fighters like Cotto and Oscar.

 

I can think of fighter who did not require fanboy excuses.

 

His results do not provide positive evidence for being able to beat Floyd Mayweather. His results suggest that his level was not far removed from the level of men Floyd beat at jr middle.

 

If Wright won those fights, and absolutely nothing changed except the scorecards, what would your argument be? How about you actually watch fights instead of looking at records on BoxRec?

You genuinely, truly DKSAB.

 

He didn’t win those fights.