How Would You Rate Mayweather, H2H, at Each Weight?

HW - Loses to Lou Savarese

 

Come on now.

 

There's a reason why you can't answer.

 

It's a joke.

Cotto had been bashed up by Marg and Manny.

They'll say that he went on to beat Sergio at MW, but fail to note that Sergio was shot with bad knees, and was lucky to beat Martin Murray in his own country.

Yes, Cotto was still a very good, elite level fighter against Floyd. But he was never in his prime.

Canelo also wasn't in his prime back in 2013. He's in his prime now.

Marquez was deliberately cheated on the scales before he went straight back to LW.

 

Canelo had beated up bumped up welterweight and is touted by his fans for old Kovalev beatup who recently before this had been almost finished by Yarde in Russia. If Yarde had better gas tank and wasn't tired for 1 next round, Kovalev had been finished in distance. Also he had been finished before this by Alvarez and edged UD win in rematch.
Really cool resume.

 

Also he fights only in Vegas and didn't had 3 rd fight vs GGG who now btw is old.
I had scored first their fight for GGG and rematch for Clenelo.
LOL.

 

acie2g,

Floyd could play mind games but he'd never have psyched out Duran.

Duran would have dogged him at every given opportunity.

Floyd could definitely have fought at JMW for a prolonged period in Duran's era. We know that Hagler sometimes weighed-in at 157 when he fought at MW. So it's even possible that Floyd could have fought certain MW's. He could physically have done it. But the question is: Would he have done?

I can also envisage a very close and competitive fight. I just don't believe that Floyd would have mocked him and broken him mentally like how Leonard did in their rematch.

 

You mean he took 2 or 3 rounds off a shot PBF??? PBF is older and more finished than Pac was WTF are you talking about? One man is still fighting while the other retired back in 2016. Prime Pac couldn't even beat a shot Erik Morales he couldn't beat a shot PBF, a prime PBF from 130-140 embarrasses him and makes him quit the sport. How does even a more reckless flawed and limited Pac deal with PBF's ability to control range and dictate distance on his ass? You can't answer the question because neither can Roach Pac or anyone else. Lastly, wishful thinking and drawing comparisons to RJJ-Tarver when PBF is a fighter of the decade winner and the best fighter of the era is a desperate reach, FFS Tarver isn't even HOF level. Log off!

 

Come on what? Canelo Cotto and arguably JMM All 3 great wins all 3 he dominated

 

floyd lost movement at 154, which is why he only fought blown up welters there.
160 is a bridge too far for floyd.

 

They weren’t in their prime.

You know that they weren’t.

 

Yeah. I was just looking hypothetically if he’d have fought in an era with same day weigh-ins.

Many of the MW’s of the past would likely be JMW’s today.

 

I’m going to be very brief, because again, we’ve done this to death.

1. Your 1st paragraph holds no weight whatsoever. Because again, even when Manny went back and agreed to EVERYTHING, the fight still didn’t happen. And that should tell any knowledgeable person that it was never the testing issue that prevented the fight from happening sooner. If you think it would have happened had Manny initially agreed to everything, then explain why it didn’t happen in 2013. Was Floyd too busy? We know what happened. Roger was feeding him information. Floyd was spooked. You could see it in every interview that he gave from that period.

2. The statement by the NSAC is absolutely WORTHLESS, considering that they literally had no idea what had happened, until THREE weeks AFTER the fight.

3. We both know that Floyd wasn’t severely dehydrated to the point where he needed a 750ml IV. It was a BS excuse. And IF it had been legit, 2 things would have happened: 1. He’d have taken fluids orally. 2. He’d have disclosed it.

We both know what went down. And to be honest, after slandering Manny for years, it was disgraceful.

If you want to hide behind Bennett’s statement, that’s on you. But the man was pretty much powerless to do anything at that stage. And that’s because the fall out from such a thing would have been catastrophic for Vegas and the rest of the sport.

 

It didn't happen because Pac turned PBF down the 1st time over blood testing with no cutoffs and after that PBF moved on. Pac didn't agree to anything he ducked PBF and fought Clottey because of testing those are facts. Like I said later it was bad blood on both sides

Also why would PBF be spooked of a guy who lost to a shot Erik Morales and couldn't beat JMM clearly in 4 fights? Why would he be spooked of a guy he knows he's a stylistic nightmare for? Lastly and more importantly why would PBF be spooked over a guy he agreed to fight in the first place, he agreed to the terms Pac didn't Pac was spooked. What you're saying makes no sense. PBF simply wanted random blood testing with no cut offs to be given to both fighters, that's not an unreasonable request at all. What makes Pac look even worse is that he later agreed to those same kinds of test when he got KTFO by JMM to fight Rios but wouldn't years earlier to fight the truth in PBF. That looks like a duck to me. I could say he waited to agree because he wanted to fight an even older PBF since he was the was the younger man with more left in the tank. Why does Pac get a pass for fighting a shot PBF? When they did fight a shot PBF beat him so easily it wasn't even worthy of a rematch. Pac couldn't even beat a shot old PBF let that sink in. Yet he's seen as superior by overzealous fans with an agenda? Man stop!

What you say and I say on the whole IV thing is irrelevant he has been cleared by NSAC and never failed a test. He also didn't show signs in that fight of being on any PEDs like I said in a previous post he looked shot he didn't throw 80 punches a round he didn't all of sudden develop one-shot KO power, he just gave Pac a boxing lesson like people who know boxing said he would do for years it's that simple. You can continue to debate this and have sour grapes and speculate all you want but the results ain't gonna change and that's PBF UD Pac now then and forever.

 

Pimp C,

He went back and agreed to Floyd’s number of cut off days.

Floyd then said that they were no longer available.

Further down the line, Manny then agreed to absolutely everything.

Yet the fight still took almost another 2 years to make.

Why have you never asked yourself why Floyd didn’t try and make the fight as soon as Manny had publicly backed down and agreed to everything?

Why?

He’d gotten what he wanted.

Yet nothing.

As usual, you will only ever fixate on a specific time period.

The facts are, when Manny gave in to all of his demands, NOTHING HAPPENED.

That’s how badly Floyd wanted the fight.

It’s easy saying “Why would he have feared him, when he beat X, who beat Y etc”

You say the same about Marg.

Go and watch the interviews etc.

I watched every single one of them.

Roger was feeding him tales of A-Side Meth etc.

You can say what you want. The fact is: if Floyd had been as confident as what you are, he’d have tried to have made the fight 2-3 years earlier after Manny had agreed to all of his demands. And the fact that he didn’t speaks volumes.

You always claim that Manny would always have been easy for Floyd.

Well Floyd obviously thought otherwise.

Nothing made Manny look worse. He agreed to the testing with Rios to show Floyd that he was serious about agreeing to full random testing up to the day of the fight.

Again, the question you need to be asking, is why didn’t Floyd and Ellerbe negotiate for a fight before he fought Rios, after he’d agreed to everything.

We both know that back in the early part of the last decade, that nobody was tested in the way that Floyd wanted Manny to be tested. It wasn’t common at all. Floyd never demanded it of anybody else and nobody else did who fought Manny. You know that. And Manny had a legitimate reason for wanting a cut off, due to what had happened years earlier with Morales. Again, Manny wanted a cut off, but which included an immediate after fight blood and urine test. And that should have been sufficient.

I don’t care that he was cleared.

So what if he was cleared?

You know that he wasn’t severely dehydrated.

Severely dehydrated from doing WHAT??

Not once have you ever discussed this in-depth.

He wasn’t severely dehydrated and you know it. He was only a few pounds out at the 30 day weigh-in, he didn’t have to dehydrate to make the weight and fight week is where fighters wind down, unless they have struggles. Everything had been done. And Floyd never struggled with weight during his whole career.

Your level of thinking is ridiculous.

You have no issue whatsoever with any of the above, yet you saw a ton of red flags when Manny asked for a cut off period.

How does that make sense?

How is that logical?

One guy asks for a cut off with a legitimate request = He’s dirty.

One guy takes an illegal IV in secret with a BS excuse = A non issue.

Ha!

Regarding Bennett, forget what he said. He had his hands tied behind his back.

No knowledgeable fan is going to be happy with a statement like what he produced, upon knowing that the guy making it had absolutely no idea what had happened until 3 weeks after the fight.

It was a joke.

It wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

These are the only relevant factors:

1. Floyd tried to get USADA to include a retroactive TUE clause into the fight contract, before he’d even started camp.

2. He took an illegal IV without disclosing it.

3. Any other fighter in a genuine situation like that would either have rehydrated orally, or legitimately requested an IV where they followed the correct protocols.

What you have written is an absolute joke.

Floyd slandered Manny for years without a shred of evidence. Yet when Floyd took an IV in secret along with a BS excuse, you then turned a blind eye, before then accusing Manny as being the guy who was responsible for why the fight didn’t happen sooner.

You couldn’t make it up.

You’ve been completely brainwashed.