How Would You Rate Naseem in his Prime?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hamed was better than Zab though and had a cast iron chin

    Legacy wise Hamed is ahead of Tyszu, Corrales, Castillo of this era. He cleaned out an entire division at featherweight and fought champions from lower weight classes.

    Ability wise at his prime Hamed was the very elite and better than the limited Pacquiao who he would have certainly KO'd. Hamed would have done better against Morales than he would Barrera and could have KO'd Morales. Hamed was 1 of the best P4P punchers in the sport
     
  2. Scratch

    Scratch Active Member Full Member

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    Hamed got lazy, stopped boxing and just tried to smash his opponents head off when he left Ingle.

    He did the above because he was a bellend.

    I've never seen anyone make fools of decent boxers like Hamed though, I don't know how great he was but he was pure entertainment at his peak.
     
  3. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hamed was very good in his prime. I think he looked his absolute best when fighting Robinson.
     
  4. h2hkiller

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    I agree, I felt Hamed had the potential to become an ATG at 122, and maybe top 10 at 126.

    But in addition to his laziness, I blame Warren and his handlers for spoonfeeding him after he was clearly ready for top competition. HBO had a hand in it as well, IMO, in that I think Hamed felt pressured to produce exciting KO after KO, so he became more one-dimensional as a result to please his paymasters
     
  5. MotorCityCobra

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  6. TFFP

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    At his peak he was a great fighter, that did things few have ever been capable of

    Unfortunately his peak was such a short period, for a number of reasons. It was sad to see he was a shadow of the boxer he once was against Barrera

    Most importantly, he was an entertainer, and everyone wanted to watch him
     
  7. "TKO"

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    I'd rate him 8/10. He was one of those fighters who had the potential to be a legend and didn't make the most of it. He was already well past his best by the time he lost a close decision to Barrera (had started trying to bang everyone out with one shot, neglected his footwork, reflexes and defence). If you saw the documentary Little prince, Big Fight, it exposed his terrible training habits. Basically, he was never as good as he could have been for these reasons. He peaked very early, like about 22/23. The big disappointment for me is that he never went back to the drawing board, came back and tried to avenge his defeat, which all the great fighters did. I think some people let the fact that he's a complete **** colour their view of him as a fighter. At the end of the day, the guy dominated 126lbs for 6 years, he was a hell of a boxer in his prime.
     
  8. h2hkiller

    h2hkiller Guest

    Is it online? I'd love to watch it.
     
  9. OklahomaHoss

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    It's jst so sad that he showed his true colors and let a single defeat at the hands on of the best in the world just completely crush him.
     
  10. raiderjay

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    Naz=Vic Darchinian. Either fighter around a 7 out of 10. Unorthodox exciting fighters that got decimated when fighting a high quality fundamental boxer with decent power. To say that he could have been this or that is utter crap, because when rating a fighter we have to base it soley on what the fighter did, not what he "could have done". In the end who did Hamed ever beat that was an alltime great? Thats right- NO ONE! Who did Hamed ever fight that was a top 20 P4P fighter at the time he fought them? One- Barrera who kicked his ass. In fact when you look at Hamed's accomplishments, the fact is he is a middle of the road belt holder.
     
  11. TFFP

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    Very simplistic

    And the question is, how did you rate Nas in his PRIME?

    Overall, his legacy isn't going to be great, that is ****ing obvious
     
  12. raiderjay

    raiderjay Active Member Full Member

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    I answered the question in the second sentence 7 out of 10. For someone saying that my post is simplistic, its kind of funny that you seem to have a hard time reading.
     
  13. TFFP

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    I don't have a hard time reading at all

    The question was, how good was he at his prime. You then went on about how he lost to MAB, how that means he's not a great fighter, and how he never beat a p4p top 20. In other words, talking about legacy

    All irrelevant. We are talking about a very short time period here. Inbetween him being green, and starting to become lazy and picking up bad habits in his training

    Obviously there is no proof, because he didn't beat any greats in this period, it's a hypothetical question
     
  14. Words

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    Naseem Hamed was a total one-off. Never seen a fighter absolutely embarasses world-class opposition so effortlessly before. Even Roy Jones Jnr has his work cut out to compete with Naz.

    In terms of pure talent, he's probably one of the best there ever was. But he let it go to his head and he never achieved what he could've, no doubt splitting from Brendan Ingle hurt his career a lot.
     
  15. raiderjay

    raiderjay Active Member Full Member

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    I suppose I was trying to justify my rating of 7/10 which is somewhat lower than the majority of people think. In the end I find it difficult to base an opinion on fighters on anything other than their biggest fights and what they did on the big stage under the brightest of lights. To me this is the biggest factor in determining a fighters true ability. So from my point of view there is unfortunately very little to judge Hamed on.