How would you rate these ten fighters P4P

In no order:
SRL
RJJ
Sweet Pea
MMH
BHOP
JCC
Hearns
PBF
Holmes
Lenox Lewis

Those are all great fighters.

 

MMH is Hagler right? I've never seen it abreviated so it threw me off for a moment.

As it is, against each other

1. SRL
2. Whitaker
3. Jones
4. Chavez
5. Hopkins
6. Hagler
7. Hearns
8. Mayweather
9. Lewis
10. Holmes

I think Holmes could be argued over Lewis, Hagler and Hearns over Hopkins, and possibly Chavez over Jones, but I like the way this list looks right now.

Floyd seems a bit low at #8, but I can't see him placing over anyone else.

 

1. Chavez
2. Leonard
3. Hearns
4. Whitaker
5. Hopkins *
6. Hagler
7. Lennox
8. Holmes
9. Jones
10. Mayweather

Hopkins is subject to rise. If he faces the winner of Calzaghe-Jones (hopefully Calzaghe) at 168 and wins, and then whips Pavlik again only at 160 to reclaim his old territory, I'd seriously consider putting him at #1 of this group.

 

(1) SRL
(2) Sweet Pea
(3) JCC
(4) RJJ
(5) Hagler
(6) BHop
(7) Hearns
cool: PBF
(9) Holmes
(10) Lenox Lewis

 

:?

 

1. Sugar Ray Leonard
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Marvin Hagler
6. Thomas Hearns
7. Roy Jones
8. Floyd Mayweather
9. Larry Holmes
10. Lennox Lewis

It might change. Never spent 45 mins here thinking about placing them with accuracy. More time, more definite with my placings. The first two was easy for me, apart from that it's tough.

 

Why is Jones so low Robbi?

 

I might well put him in Chavez's place just to annoy Divac. What you think? I would need more time to think about it, honest.

 

I put him at #3 but could easily see him at #4 behind Chavez.

As big of a fan of Hopkins as I am (A massive fan), I personally don't see the argument for him to rank higher as of this moment.

Roy was arguably the most dominant of these fighters during his prime and even though several had better competition, it's still good enough to be a clear top 4 of these fighters IMO.

The knockout losses hurt very badly, but with Leonard and Whitaker as the clear top 2, I think wins over Toney, Hopkins, Hill, Ruiz, Tarver, McCallum, Griffin, Gonzales, etc along with just how good he was in his prime is as good a case for #3 as anyone else on the list.

 

It's craziness to put Jones over Whitaker or Chavez for that matter. It's goofy to put Jones over Hearns. It's getting more outlandish to put Jones ahead of Hopkins as time goes on. I can't for the life of me justify putting Jones over Lennox.

... and yet there's Jones at 2 or 3 in posts above. Roy was reluctant. His "legacy" is a rip-off thus far. Jones spent his prime years jerking off. And you know what's most interesting for those who are about to justify his record? Jones himself knows this and admits this. That's why he's fighting now -to try to salvage something.

Greatness untested is supposition, it isn't affirmed. To many boxing fans get all starry eyed about speed and power and highlights... and can't distinguish between style and substance. Jones is still trying to affirm what he himself suspects is not affirmed.

 

You don't beat, scratch that, DOMINATE the likes of Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, Hill, Johnson and Ruiz with all flash and no substance Stoney.

Jones is a lock for top 5 and and he is above the likes of Hopkins (to say nothing of Lennox, wtf? ), unless longevity forms about 50% of your criteria for greatness.

 

Jones has no place over Whitaker, I agree. Chavez does not have a clearly superior resume and had close calls with LaPorte and Lockridge, I don't think either Chavez or Jones is clearly above the other.

As to Hopkins, whether Roy could have fought more fighters or not, do you Hopkins has a superior resume? Do you think given their styles that Hopkins in his prime could beat a peak Jones?

I am by no means a die-hard fan and much prefer Hopkins, but Roy is a greater fighter. IMO, Jones deserves more credit than you give him for being as dominant as he was for a decade against a solid level of opposition.

 

1. Sugar Ray Leonard
2. Pernell Whitaker*
3. Bernard Hopkins*
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Marvin Hagler*
6. Thomas Hearns*
7. Roy Jones
8. Floyd Mayweather
9. Larry Holmes*
10. Lennox Lewis*

* Donates the fighters who would make my top 10 favourites of all-time.

 

How the hell is Hopkins getting in above Jones? Based on what he's done after losing to Jermain Taylor? For struggling with an old/fat Winky? For beating Kelly Pavlik who Reggie Johnson would have shut out? This is ridiculous..... Maybe it was for losing to an old sloppy Joe? Come on now....