How would you recalibrate/change the weight-classes?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Mar 18, 2008.


  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    120 from 110 is a much bigger jump than 180 from 170...not good.:nono

    This system is biased against smaller weight groups.
     
  2. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Have you tried picking a percentage?
     
  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah...my percentage increase in weight is regular...from just under 4% to 10%. If you have a regular increase in weight to go from 120 to 200, you need too many weight divisions, so you need a regular increase in the percentage increase.
     
  4. MattMattMatt

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    40 Junior Fleaweight
    85 Fleaweight
    90 Junior Paperweight
    95 Paperweight
    100 Junior Notminimumweight
    105 Notminimumweight
    110 Flyweight
    124 Junior Extraextralightheavyweight
    125 Cantweight
    126 Mega Lightweight
    165 Light Averageweight
    160 Averageweight
    179 Heavy Averageweight
    200 Ultramegaweight
    209 Fatpieweight

    Perfect.

    Actually, no... seriously just leave them as they are - they are fine!
     
  5. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    220 pds of solid muscle vs a 250 pd tubby is FINE. 220 pds of solid muscle vs 250 pds of solid muscle...Bit of a mismatch. Size isn't quite everything. Haye is going to do well in the HW division, but fact is he WILL NOT beat somebody the size of Wlad. He's not tall enough, he's not strong enough, and he is very good....BUT not that good. Some people bring up Tyson only weighing around 220, but forget the fact he was only 5'9-5'10, and built like a tank! 5'10, 220 pds, and probably only 4-5% body fat...Uhh, yeah, that's a massive guy right there. 6'3, 220 pds...Not quite so massive.
    And Wlad has been knocking out people his weight with ease (cept the last fight). What makes you think he couldn't dispose of somebody only weighing 220?
    I take geen ku doe (bruce lee's martial arts), and like I said size isn't everything...When it comes to something like street fighting. It's easy to break somebodies knee, gouge there eyes out, kick them in the groin, go for the throat. It doesn't matter how big you are if I do that to you, but that **** isn't allowed in boxing. They have an old saying "A good big man always beats a good little man." and I *guarantee* if Hayes fights a good big man...that's exactly what'll happen.
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    They are not fine:nono

    ...they jump up: 3 lbs, then 4 lbs, then 3 again...then 3, then 4...from strawweight to super bantamweight; then 7, then 7, then 6, then 8, then 7 from light welterweight to supermiddleweight; then after having increased by 8 at the most, they increase by 25 lbs from LHW to CW, in one go!!!:nut

    Some drunk senile old fart must have made these weight-divisions...

    Heavyweight - over 200lb (+91kg)
    Cruiserweight - 200lb (91kg)
    Light heavyweight - 175lb (79kg)
    Super middleweight - 168lb (76.2kg)
    Middleweight - 160lb (72.5kg)
    Light middleweight (super welter) - 154lb (70kg)
    Welterweight - 147lb (66.7kg)
    Light welterweight (super light) - 140lb (63.5kg)
    Lightweight - 135lb (61.2kg)
    Super featherweight (junior light) - 130lb (59kg)
    Featherweight - 126lb (57.1kg)
    Super bantamweight (junior feather) -122lb (55.3kg)
    Bantamweight - 118lb (53.5kg)
    Super flyweight (junior bantam) - 115lb (52.1kg)
    Flyweight - 112lb (51kg)
    Light flyweight - 108lb (49kg)
    Strawweight (mini fly or minimum) -105lb (47.6kg)
     
  7. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    This is a spread sheet, so the format isn't exactly as it seems, but the idea was to raise the percentage as the weight went up in a linear fashion. I took 120 as a start and added 5% to get 126. And so on. If you stop at 200 (199) then you have 11 weights, down from 17. I think I figured the current stuff was about 5% per weight class once when I looked, but that was a while back. That is why I started at 5%
    5.0% 120
    5.2% 126
    5.4% 133
    5.6% 140
    5.8% 148
    6.0% 156
    6.2% 165
    6.4% 176
    6.6% 187
    6.8% 199
    7.0% 213



    5.0% 100
    5.2% 105
    5.4% 110
    5.6% 116
    5.8% 123
    6.0% 130
    6.2% 138
    6.4% 146
    6.6% 156
    6.8% 166
    7.0% 177
    7.2% 190
    7.4% 203
    7.6% 219
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Good job!:good

    Can you do one starting off with an increase of 4% and ending up with an increase on 8% starting at 120 and finishing around 250, in 13 divisions, tops? I think this one would be even better.
     
  9. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    I have no problems with the current weight classes. I have an issue with the BS that exists within the orgs and overall.

    As long as the best fight the best? Its all good.:yep
     
  10. Hermit

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    Not and keep the math simple. Or not on the time I have available. ;) You could spread the heavier divisions out some though. You already have weight mismatches there anyhow. Kick 222 upt to 225 and then push 240 up to 250. Also, why not just push 159 to 160? That way MW and SM stays the same.

    Edit. Rounding errors in the last column. Just there for quick reference anyhow. Spread sheet document.


    4.0% 120 5
    4.3% 125 5
    4.6% 130 6
    4.9% 136 7
    5.2% 143 7
    5.6% 150 8
    6.0% 159 10
    6.4% 168 11
    6.9% 179 12
    7.4% 191 14
    7.9% 205 16
    8.4% 222 19
    9.0% 240 22
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    That's very good!:good
     
  12. LightningJoe

    LightningJoe The Filipino Flash Full Member

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    ffs folks......the trouble with the weight divisions today is the casual fans can't grasp the minute differences. random numbers like '112', '126', '154' and '168' coupled with confusing weight division names don't help.

    its very easy to come up with a 'formula' but look at the numbers. 'the one-hundered and fifty-nine pound division'. gimme a ****ing break.

    this would probably be the most fan-friendly way:

    HEAVYWEIGHT - NO LIMIT
    CRUISERWEIGHT - 200
    LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT - 180
    SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT - 170
    MIDDLEWEIGHT - 160
    WELTERWEIGHT - 150
    LIGHTWEIGHT - 140
    SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT - 130
    FEATHERWEIGHT - 125
    SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT - 120
    BANTAMWEIGHT - 115
    FLYWEIGHT - 105(minimum)-110(maximum)

    Weigh-in the morning of the fight.
    One champion per division, no 'regular' champs.
    13 rounds, 5 judges.
    One organisation runs everything.
    TV companies bid for 1 years rights to show the fights.
    No 'promoters'.
    No cherry-picking. No catchweights.
    Champions always pick the venue.
    Champions only fight mandatories, must fight twice per year unless injured etc.
    Only get a title-shot in another weight if you are already a champion in an adjacent division. Otherwise work your way through the rankings. So no champions in welter getting a title-shot in super middle.

    This would basically make boxing like other professional sports. But alas, it is the way it is and we have to live with it. It's always going to be a sport for the hardcore fans and the public will never be interested for anything other than the odd marquee fight.
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I'd vote for all of that in a flash, if I could! Good post!:good
     
  14. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    108 fly
    118 bantam
    127 feather
    135 lightweight
    140 light welter
    147 welter
    154 light mid
    160 middle
    170 supermidd
    180 light heavy
    201 cruiser
    heavy


    i like tradition and do not want to spoil the history of the sport , so basically just deleted a lot of divisions and only tinkered slightly with the light heavy and relativley new super middle.
     
  15. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing wasn't broken and when they "fixed" it, they ruined it.
    Best remedy isn't to bring more changes it's to remove the ones already made.

    8 weightclasses (screw the sanctioning bodies and their fees)
    1 title per weightclass (see above)
    15 round fights (screw tv scheduling)