How would've Hatton fared against Malignaggi and Pac with Billy Graham?

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  1. G.A.V.

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    Though making no excuses for his loss against Pacquiao, because I think that was coming either way, but was Hatton further distracted for his fights due to the change in trainer and his corner than he would of been had he stayed with Graham?

    I'm watching the Hatton/Mayweather 24/7 now and before the Mayweather fight, there doesn't really seem to be problems with Hatton/Graham, but it seems when that loss came, Hatton dropped Graham to try and train as a world level fighter, and that's fair enough but he couldn't adapt and when it was put up or shut up time, he lost all he'd learnt, got tangled up and tried to trade without any ammo in his gun and got demolished by the Pacman. Had he not gone with Mayweather Sr. and all the chaos in the corner not developed, would that and the Paulie fight be a different case?

    Personally, I do think that fight with Mayweather took away something from him, which was made abundantly clear when he was shaken by Lazcano and couldn't put him away as he would've a few year back. However, when he stepped in with Paulie and had Mayweather Sr. in his corner, it looked as if he'd learnt something he'd need for a megafight that he didn't have for Mayweather, but it just seemed to be an illusion due to Paulie apparently fighting uncomfortably rather than Hatton adapting, and when it came to the big one, Hatton lost a strategy that he wouldn't of lost had he stayed with Graham in my opening. I'm not doubting Hatton wouldn't have rushed in, but I think he could have lasted a little longer, which is strange to say, but I think it would of been a closer fight with Paulie, possibly even having him lose if Malignaggi was truly flustered by Hatton's change in fighting rather than what he was being taught by McGirt, but against Pac he wouldn't have the added ingredient of losing his new gameplan next to his patience and head. I don't think Hatton would of ever beaten Mayweather, that's for certain because he just wasn't on that elite level, but the new things he was being taught was simply too late in his career to reclaim his status as world level fighter.

    Anyway, had Hatton stayed with Graham, I think the corner would of been a little more stable, and maybe Hatton wouldn't of rushed in with something unfamiliar he had no idea to fall back on if he'd lost his head, if that makes any sort of sense. Hatton going in with the wrong gameplan and thinking it would work is better than him going in with something that could work and he throws out the window to... not even go back to his old style, per say, but just try to knockout his opponent with nothing to do so. He seemed like a man lost between two worlds, and however defensive it seems of me for Hatton, I do believe there were factors in that fight that caused the devastating knockout, but I wouldn't say they weren't Hatton's fault, just not down to his boxing skills per say.
     
  2. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    they same as he did without graham
     
  3. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Pretty much!!!:good
     
  4. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    Hatton would have fared better against Pac if he had kept to Billy Graham. Im on record here saying that Floyd snr was the worst career move Hatton could ever make.
    Floyd jnr's father is an egomaniac who ruined Hatton. I mean, does anyone remember those clips on 24/7 when Floyd was almost killing Ricky with the medicine ball?
    Poor Ricky was screaming with pain as that moron threw crushing blow after blow on his stomach.

    Watch it, & come back & tell me how that was doing Ricky any good. IMO, he was just weakening the man.
     
  5. kosaros

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  6. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Well, since Billy Graham will be 91 years old this Oct., I think they would beat him. Billy Graham is tall, but he has been preaching for many years now, never has had a single fight. LOL! (Joke)
     
  7. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    pac ko 3 hatton with graham
     
  8. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ricky looked good aganist Paulie, so don't really know.

    However, I'm convinced he wouldn't have had his hands as low vs Pac with Billy training him.
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think he would have beaten Paulie quicker rather than being more patient.

    As for Pacquiao, who knows?

    He wouldn't have looked half dead at the weigh-in for starters :lol:

    Would probably still get KTFO, in brutal fashion.
     
  10. Mazallan

    Mazallan ESB yes man Full Member

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    He would have beaten Malinfaggi ok then got destroyed by Pac. The guy found his level at the top level by getting dounced by Mayweather and Pac. Good champion below the elite though.
     
  11. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    losing kayes was much more of an issue than graham imo
     
  12. Brick-Top

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    he'd have stopped malignaggi within 7 or 8 imo, against Manny, well the loss would always come but maybe in a less brutal fashion. With Graham in the camp there would have been alot less tension in the camp so Hatton wouldnt have felt vunerable going into the ring chasing the one big shot.
     
  13. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think there was a battle of wills between Lee Beard and Floyd sr. When Graham was in camp he was the man in charge.
     
  14. duranimal

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    Absolutly no diff what so ever, you can't tell Hatton ****-all, listen's too no one & so he'd still make a right **** of himself against Pacman:smoke
     
  15. Dan684

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    If Hatton has of stayed with Graham and Kayes, he wouldn't have looked so comfortable against Malignaggi but would have done a little better against Pac.

    He would have looked as good 'a' boxer as he did in the mallignaggi fight but he'd have been a lot stronger physically than he was for the Pac fight.