How you rate the heavyweights at present?

The.would put it on Wilder and most dispatch early (wither too strong, too fast, too skilled and too tough). Bear in mind he hasnt fought quality opponents or any with top defence, I mean Hammer found it easy to land on Ortiz. He has avoided power puncher or cone forward pressure fighters for reason.

Also Fury is elusive but Cunningham, Pajkic, Flirtha Wallin all managed to regularly land on Fury. He's not exatcly Mayweather or Ward.

 

You are living in cuckoo land if you truly believe that.

 

Ortiz wouldn't make AJ top six wins. As far as reumes go the most similar is probably C.Martin.

Ortiz only nobale wins : Jennings and Hammer.


Wlad - Haye, Povetkin, Pulev, Chagaev, and Brewster etc..

Povetkin - Coming off a career best win over Whyte. Has proven solid in depth but not spectacular resume of wins over Chagaev, Byrd, Takam, Huck, Perez Chambers, Charr, Dauhapas, Hughie Fury, Wach, Price and Hammer. Only loses came to the number 1 HWs in the division at the time. Dauphapas is probably Wilders second or third best win yet doesnt make Povetkins top 5.

Whyte - Wins over Parker, Rivas Chisora x 2, Helenius and Wach.

Parker - Wins over Ruiz, Takam, Hughie and Dimitrenko.

Ruiz- Former unified WC and only one with a win over the guy with the best resume in the divison. Also beat Dimitrenko and gave Parker a close fight.

Pulev - wins over Chisora, Hughie, Dimitrenko & Ustinov.

Ortiz clearly has the weakest resume in comparison. Its doesnt even come close. Ortiz resume is closer to Charles Martin than these mentioned guys.

 

Wilder hasnt beaten anyone of Povetkin, Whyte, Hunter, Pulev, Parker and Ruiz standard.

Go on what they done in the ring rather than the "boogeyman" myth tag. Hell even Joyce has already a better resume than Ortiz.

 

You are away with the fairies.

 

Always got time for you, Mitch, but you have to consider more than just the resume’s and also gauge what your eyes tell you. There are so many variables involved. I know you do this to a degree but I think you get too drawn in on the stats etc.

You’re right, Wilder is a poor boxer, but he’s a puncher who is capable of knocking a fighter out if they get careless, greedy, lapse in concentration or if they have slow feet. Every single heavyweight is capable of one of those things and that means he can bang out anyone.

Joshua is a excellent boxer but he is vulnerable (and he knows it) to getting caught. He needs a few rounds to recharge the batteries if he goes into explosive mode for 10-20 seconds. He can’t and wouldn’t just walk Wilder down. That’s not how he fights.

 

Forget the resume, can you not see that Ortiz is a skilled southpaw? He’s old and hasn’t got the gas tank now but it’s clear as day that he’s a dangerous opponent for any heavyweight.

 

Skilled southpaw, well the pickings are poor on southpaws after Usyk at HW, the next best after Ortiz are Martin and Zhang. Decent counterpuncher but very hittable and slow footed. Would you agree with the comment made earlier by the other poster that Ortiz is as good as any win as AJ?

 

Rather than insults explain to me to why you believe beating Jennings and Hammer is a better than the resumes of the guys I mentioned?

 

Id say that belongs to Fury after dethroning Vlad

 

Argubably between the Fury vs Wlad, Aj Vs Wlad and Ruiz vs AJ 1. Can make a case for any of the three in my opinion.

 

First two yea...The Ruiz option I'm not agreeing with as it was more a shock than an achievement (at this stage of AJ's career anyhow)

 

The reason I referenced the southpaw bit bud was that it makes him more difficult to fight. I see it as an advantage just like for Usyk or switch hitters like the Fury’s.

I would say that Ortiz would be a better win than Takam, Breazeale, Molina, Whyte (2015 version), Pulev...I think Parker, Ruiz, Klitschko & Povetkin (2018 version) would be better wins than having Ortiz on the record.

 

His agenda is to try and detract from Fury's win against Wilder. His argument is that Wilder's 'resume' is weak, on the whole it is. In most people's minds, Wilder's win against Ortiz is very respectable - especially in the fashion that it happened.

If Ortiz is seen as a lesser fighter, by proxy it naturally makes Fury's win against Wilder less of an achievement. All very dull.

 

I know, spot on m8.