How's that US writers always find a way to cover up such a disgrace?

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    80% of Eastsideboxing has Kotelnik beating Alexander, most by a wide margin, such highly respected independent experts as Dwyer from the US call it a robbery, there's an outrage on the message boards, yet if you didn't see the fight and only got your input from the media, you wouldn't even know it was at least a questionable decision when it is universally recognized as a clear robbery.

    I was and still am a Devon Alexander fan. Everybody loves his story: an excellent, respectful, dedicated young kid working all his way up from the lowest streets to the highest paydays, overcoming obstacles, setbacks and tragedies, working harder than 99.9% of us. Making the impossible possible, the self-made man's Cinderella story, making the American Dream come true. But that is hardly an excuse to ignore a sport event and it's clear objective judging rules and let personal sympathy, nationalistic values or network interest to take over, and many of us strongly believe that is what the US media is doing by completely ignoring the controversy.

    Fact is that Kotelnik landed the more punches, the more meaningful punches, the cleaner punches and landed at a higher % vs. the busy but largely ineffective Alexander, Harold Lederman however argues that Devon simply was busier therefore had him winning the fight with an atrocious 117-111 score. Many fans actually had the same score, just the other way around, and it's hard to find those who even through the biased commentary, believe Alexander deserved the nod. Should they rewatch the fight without sound, will they still back the St. Louis decision? Now let's see how the media, who's job is to objectively report what really happened, saw the fight!


    Dan Rafael, ESPN: "Toughing it out"

    "It wasn't always pretty and it definitely wasn't easy, but Devon Alexander managed to retain his titles by outpointing Andreas Kotelnik over 12 rounds"
    - but is Alexander "toughing out" an expert opinion and an unbiased take on the fight?


    Assosiated press via Yahoo! "Knock of that rally"
    "Devon Alexander withstood Andriy Kotelnik to win by unanimous decision and retain both of his titles"
    - he certainly withstood from not going down, but is it the accurate description of what happened over 12 rounds?


    Jake Donovan, rival site "Devon Alexander outlasts Kotelnik"
    Donovan says Alexander overcame a cut and the determination of a former champion.
    - but did he really overcome in terms of unbiased scoring?


    Brian Grammer, Fightnews: "Alexander defeats Kotelnik"
    "Undefeated WBC/IBF junior welterweight champ Devon Alexander won a harder then expected twelve round unanimous decision over former WBA champion Andriy Kotelnik."
    - Was it simply just harder than expected?


    Doug Fischer, The Ring: "Still work in progress"
    "Devon Alexander got the job done against crafty Andreas Kotelnik on Saturday night in his hometown of St. Louis, winning a unanimous decision, but he didn't look like the star so many expect him to become."
    - did he really get the job done in terms of a fair decision?


    Peter Owen Nelson, New York Times "Alexander Defeats Kotelnik, Retains titles"
    "Sharon Alexander celebrated her 54th birthday Saturday with a gift from her son Devon Alexander: a hometown victory over Andriy Kotelnik of Lviv, Ukraine. Alexander’s speed proved too much for Kotelnik as he won a unanimous decision at Scottrade Center."
    - did Alexander's speed really proved too much? It is certainly not intentional, but maybe Nelson talking about "gift" and "hometown victory" is the most accurate description I've read so far



    You tell me after watching and possibly rewatching the fight: are these descriptions accurate and don't you feel they left out just a tiny bit of information? Or even better: if Kotelnik was the US fighter Alexander the visitor, would the headlines be the same?
     
  2. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spot on it's blind patriotism nothing more and they have done the same to the man in your avatar twice blatantly.
    I want boxers to start refusing to fight in america when they are non american vs american.

    America is starting to get a reputation like Germany.
     
  3. 80% of ESB? Where are you getting these numbers?

    I think what you are seeing on ESB is the influx of fickle fans coming on here and starting outrage threads... when the ones that agreed with the decision and most of the media are probably just still in bed not making threads about it.

    Alexander won the fight.. there was no robbery.
     
  4. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    The main thing I get out of those comments is that none of those ****s are any different than us.
    Just a bunch of guys/chicks who give their opinions on something that for the most part is unpredictable.

    where can I apply for the job?
     
  5. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    kill yourself
     
  6. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    look at the ring website the comments from people most say it was a robbery. Even one guy who was at the fight.
     
  7. **** yourself in the eye with a 10grit sandpaper dildo.. Or come up with a more mature response.
     
  8. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Those headlines are shocking. Just as bad as HBO not bothering to even interview Kotelnik.
     
  9. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn't lower my IQ by talking to a brainless moron like you.
    You think alexander won because you are a black american end of ****ing story now **** off.
     
  10. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well the only one out of those articles that i read was Doug Fischer's, and that article opened with "Devon Alexander may have received an early christmas gift last night" so it would seem that you're leaving out some information too.

    Anyway i think it's pretty normal for a professional writer to be a little bit more moderate in his opinions than the average boxing fan is.
     
  11. LMAO. Actually... I'm a white American. And I've always liked Kotelnik, and I've always been skeptical of Alexander. Your baseless assumptions are as ******ed as they are hilarious.

    The difference is that I actually paid close attention to the fight.

    NO YOU **** OFF
     
  12. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well whatever the **** you are and i still think you are black you are clearly a moron of the highest order to think devon won more than 4 rounds.
    You **** off you biased american ****.
     
  13. Double Jay

    Double Jay Active Member Full Member

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    Yes it was. Just like Pirog would've been robbed if he didn't knocked out Jacobs. Then the american will believe their fighters are the best.
     
  14. I think this fight proved more about Kotelnik than it did about Alexander. Kotelnik should be mentioned with the other top fighters in the 140 pound division.

    And you ****s that think people are biased somehow because they scored the fight for Alexander just need to go take a shower or something. Y'all are getting a little too hot and bothered over this.

    Me: Alexander won the fight, it was close, and Kotelnik impressed me... But there was no robbery.

    Other guy: OMG UR A RACIST
     
  15. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    You're a ****ing idiot , go get an education