Hoya or Mayweather - Who Ranks Higher?

DLH...they are p4p champ for 3 years but DLH just have too much impact and is very instrumental in the growth of the sport...

 

Mayweather clearly IMO.

Similar achievements but greater skillset, better h2h, undefeated record.

 

Who on Mayweather's resume is as good as a prime Tito, prime Quartey, slightly past prime but roiding Mosley, past prime Whitaker, all of whom DLH arguably beat?

Also, do you think it's even remotely possible DLH arguably loses to Jose Luis Castillo?

 

Mayweather. Just a better fighter IMO.

 

Out of interest, how do you think DLH does against Floyd's level of competition?

I don't see ANYTHING for DLH to worry about at all. He'd be undefeated, uncontroversially so, and with a higher knockout percentage.

 

Done forget Chavez Snr, Past his prime, but a good win non the less.

 

True, but he's also the bigger fighter than the natural 130 pound Floyd, who was better at that weight than DLH was at any weight he fought at IMO. Oscar was better at WW though, and the higher weights in general.

 

I agree that De La Hoya's resume is better, but this is one of the very rare occasions where I would say the fighter with the inferior resume is the superior fighter in all-time pound-for-pound terms. This doesn't happen a lot with me as I believe resume is always the most important factor, but it is not invariably the sole factor to consider.

OK, he should've dropped the decision to Castillo in their 1st fight, but was Castillo really a vastly inferior fighter p4p to the Quartey that gave Oscar so much trouble? I don't think he was.

 

Oscars fame was always bigger than his ability. For Floyd the opposste is true. I think Floyd is actually underrated. Not accross the board, as he has a lot of fans who naturally over-hype him, but by the experts who reject his chances against other historical greats. The consensus these days in the intelligentsia seems to be that Floyd is a poor mans Sweet Pea.

 

I don't see Floyd being better at 130 than Oscar was at 135 personally. He is naturally smaller though, that's something I can agree on, and it's perhaps a little unfair to him to pit DLH against his comp, given that he'd be naturally bigger than most of Floyd's prime weights (130-135) comp.

That said, if they fought at 135, DLH wins narrowly imo.

 

Fair enough.

No, not vastly.

 

In all fairness, I don't see Mayweather losing to Mosley at welterweight. That's just personal opinion, I think Mayweather beats Mosley at any weight, even light. PBF was just a more intelligent, better fighter all-round and would not have lost to Mosley, especially not in his prime and at his prime weight against a Mosley coming up in weight. I don't think it's fair to compare Mayweather to Trinidad or Hopkins as they were far bigger men naturally, Mayweather being a natural sfw whereas Trinidad was a natural ww and Hopkins a natural mw. And although I really wouldn't fancy him to do so, it's not totally out of the question that Mayweather could outpoint Tito. (Oscar's losses to Mayweather and Pacquiao don't come into my thinking on this, he was well past-prime by then)

But this is not my point - my point is that although he didn't start his career there, I believe Oscar was a natural ww. I think that was his best fighting weight. I believe Floyd was a natural sfw, I think that was his best fighting weight. I think Floyd was better at sfw (annihilated p4p#5 Corrales, beat G.Hernandez and J.Chavez) than Oscar was at ww (lost to Mosley, debatable decisions v past-prime Whitaker and Quartey).

JMO

 

I've never agreed with the p-o-v that Oscar making those weights in his younger days was any sort of malfeasance that had to be "balanced". If he could make those weights by playing by the rules, IMO he had every right to pick up titles and beat good names there on his way up, it would have been stupid not to. But yes, he more than made up for it by fighting Hopkins, Sturm, Vargas etc later on.