HOYA-PAC: Can size difference stop this fight from happening?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CLE, Jul 24, 2008.


  1. CLE

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    I still consider Cotto as the frontrunner in the Hoya sweepstakes if he will win this weekend.

    So Hoya just started to hype the back-up opponent just in case Cotto loses to Margarito which is not a remote possibility.
     
  2. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    pac will be in the end of his career once he faces DLH but if choses not to then he can still have more fights ahead of him. Jumping up more than 20 lbs is a big deal, those who don't know boxing probably thought of it as just similar to adding muscle or gaining fat no big deal, yeah right. Pac looks good at 135 but it doesn't mean he'll look the same at 154.

    Honestly i don't think pac is at the end of his career, he still have fresh legs, his speed and power is still there even at 135, he still has insane amounts of stamina, he's becoming better as a boxer. if he chose to stay there the physical advantages he has over fighters still remain(his speed for example).

    As fans, do you want to see more of him or not? certainly yes you want to see more i assume. He can still have more fights ahead if he choses to be safe
     
  3. CLE

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    Trust me PAC will retire next year since he already announced that he will run for public office in 2010 Philippines election. He is starting to give politics more priority this time as he skip watching Cotto-Margo at ringside this weekend just to listen to Philippines president State of the Nation speech personally on Monday.

    PAC will be retiring next year so why not give him DelaHoya in December and Hatton next year before he retires. Time for fans to return the favor to PAC who gave us so many exciting fights over the years which we enjoyed very much watching. PAC deserves to have these 2 huge payday fights. Are you with me?
     
  4. Action

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    I completely agree!! Pac is the Lightweight champion of the world at 135lbs. while DLH is only a blown up superfeatherweight who has moved up from 130 lbs. This fight is completely unjust and will give the sport a black eye. Someone should do something about stopping this onesided travesty. Maybe the government will before some one gets killed in this sport.
     
  5. CLE

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    Another example of massive size differential:

    The 5'11" 193 lbs. Roy Jones Jr. fighting the 6'2" 226 lbs. WBA Heavyweight Champ John Ruiz. 3" difference in height and 33 lbs. in weight.

    And who won this fight? The smaller boxer who uses his much superior speed to defeat the bigger boxer.
     
  6. Paulie Walnuts

    Paulie Walnuts Eastside Capo Full Member

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    :patsch

    Now youre comparing DLH to John Ruiz. Stop it already.
     
  7. CLE

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    Did I? I'm only citing the massive size differential of some fights that were made in the past to rebutt those people protesting the size differential of Hoya and PAC.

    It's just a coincidence that the smaller boxers defeated the bigger ones in some of those fights using their much superior speed. You know, speed kills.
     
  8. Paulie Walnuts

    Paulie Walnuts Eastside Capo Full Member

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    Yes, you were comparing him in a way. Don't play coy.

    I saw your a post of yours in another thread. "Diaz is as fast as DLH at 150". That's absolutely ridiculous and should not even be dignified with a response. However since you are so naive and so inept at examining boxers then I thought I should be kind enough to tell you that's downright stupid.

    How many fights of Oscar have you seen anyway? And is your TV working well? And is your eyesight fine? I'm worried about you. Really.
     
  9. Action

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    This view is completely stupid and without merit. Weight class increments have been added ONLY because sanctioning organizations receive more fees for them. The people who propogate that notion use it to brainwash those who will believe it and pay the fees. The difference between a man who is 5-5" and 126 pounds and one that is 5-8" and 140 is certainly far less than with Valuev and Ruiz.
     
  10. rrk

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    This will be the case of a great fighter taking it on step to far.
    DLH did it himself vs Bhop. The fight could possibly be pretty similar, the smaller faster & fresher fighter will hold his own for a while until the larger stronger man will take over.
     
  11. Paulie Walnuts

    Paulie Walnuts Eastside Capo Full Member

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    Now that is stupid. I do agree the corrupt sanctioning bodies are milking the numerous divisions for all its worth but they (the weightclasses) do serve a purpose-- to minimize size discrepancy. That's not to say that I dont have gripes with the current system in employ-- I do. A lot of things are to be fixed (such as the 24+ hour weigh-in before the actual fight, this is so abused) but in general I am fine with its concept.

    Pac vs DLH isn't between a 5'5 midgit and 5'8 guy. The difference is bigger. We're talking about Pac, a former flyweight who is maxing out his physical frame at 135, and Oscar, who just a few fights ago competed at middleweight. There is just too much of a size differential here to accept the fight as a reasonable one.

    As for you citing Valuev/Ruiz, you're right, but the added ability of heavier fighters to absorb more punishment somewhat nullifies the difference in size. And it's not like he is impossible to beat.. Chagaev showed us how. And a small heavy like a prime Tyson would've mauled the giant. Also you could count the number of supersized heavies by hand so I'm not so sure about creating a proposed superheavyweight division either.
     
  12. fastfist

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    Pac is pure muscles, I can't say the same with DLH. How Pac will cope with the increase in muscle mass at 147 is yet to be seen. Obviously some people get to confuse fat mass with muscle mass like the troubled street kid who thinks they are the same.
     
  13. reed_man02

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    So will Pac's muscles be the difference in his potential fight with Hoya?:think
     
  14. CLE

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    Mr. WalNUTs, thanks for reading my post in the other thread but I think I need to place the complete post here.

    "Talking about speed, the 135 lbs. David Diaz is as slow as the 150 lbs. Oscar (at this time). Look at those 220 lbs. heavyweights, they're so slow..."

    For me, I don't see much difference in the slowness between the 135 lbs Diaz and the 150 lbs. Oscar (the old and partly shot Oscar), or maybe Diaz is just a tad slower than Oscar. One thing is definite tho, both these guys are very much slower than PAC...
     
  15. fastfist

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    Will it not?:hat