Hrgovic is a more talented fighter than Itauma

MaccaveliMacc · Sep 9, 2026 at 2:20 AM

Redbeard7 said: ↑

A leftist mod or two aside, this forum doesn't generally have your sucker mentality, I'm glad to say.
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The fact that you're bringing your political delusions to a boxing talk says a lot about how disturbed you really are. Keep exposing yourself tho.

Redbeard7 · Sep 9, 2026 at 2:25 AM

MaccaveliMacc said: ↑

The fact that you're bringing your political delusions to a boxing talk says a lot about how disturbed you really are. Keep exposing yourself tho.
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All I hear is "baaaaa!"

MaccaveliMacc · Sep 9, 2026 at 2:26 AM

Redbeard7 said: ↑

All I hear is "baaaaa!"
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Yeah, I bet you hear a lot of things in your head. Can see it in your posts, lol.

Redbeard7 · Sep 9, 2026 at 2:36 AM

MaccaveliMacc said: ↑

Yeah, I bet you hear a lot of things in your head. Can see it in your posts, lol.
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"Baaaaa!!!"

BoxingGod12345 · Sep 9, 2026 at 3:25 AM

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Tony Thompson had vastly more left in the tank than Whyte and he did not spark Pricey in the rematch. Price also got stopped on exhaustion, after being battered previously.

I don't think Itauma is a Wlad and Hrgovic is not a Puritty. A loss can ruin a hyped fighter's career, see Jared Anderson.

Morrison was also winning most rounds vs Mercer, but Mercer was a better fighter. Same with Hrgo-Itauma.

Itauma's collapse was more rapid than Wlad's, Morrison's or Haye's. They all had a round of being beaten up before they got stopped in the one after, Itauma was gone in the first round he lost.
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Redbeard7 said: ↑

Tony Thompson had vastly more left in the tank than Whyte and he did not spark Pricey in the rematch. Price also got stopped on exhaustion, after being battered previously.

I don't think Itauma is a Wlad and Hrgovic is not a Puritty. A loss can ruin a hyped fighter's career, see Jared Anderson.

Morrison was also winning most rounds vs Mercer, but Mercer was a better fighter. Same with Hrgo-Itauma.

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Redbeard7 said: ↑

Tony Thompson had vastly more left in the tank than Whyte and he did not spark Pricey in the rematch. Price also got stopped on exhaustion, after being battered previously.

I don't think Itauma is a Wlad and Hrgovic is not a Puritty. A loss can ruin a hyped fighter's career, see Jared Anderson.

Morrison was also winning most rounds vs Mercer, but Mercer was a better fighter. Same with Hrgo-Itauma.

Itauma's collapse was more rapid than Wlad's, Morrison's or Haye's. They all had a round of being beaten up before they got stopped in the one after, Itauma was gone in the first round he lost.
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Itauma's collapse was more rapid than Wlad's, Morrison's or Haye's. They all had a round of being beaten up before they got stopped in the one after, Itauma was gone in the first round he lost.[/QUOTE]
Moses itauma threw 416 Punches in just 9 Rounds against Filip Hrgovic and most were Power Shots No heavyweight is throwing does many Punches. Itauma threw 65 Punches in Round 8 trying to stop Filip hrgovic. David Price wasn't even throwing the same volume as Itauma and he sure can't throw 65 Punches a round.. ituama is not Jared Anderson....Jared Anderson got beat from pillar to post against Martin Bakole.. yes Filip hrgovic isn't Ross Purity but my Point is that Ross Purity is Ultimate Bum... Frank martin is Way better than Ross Purity and itauma Knocked him out in 5 rounds.... Wlademir Klitschko also got destroyed by corrie sanders and Brewster.... Moses Ituama is q generational talent his only problem is learning how to pace himself...

BoxingGod12345 · Sep 9, 2026 at 3:39 AM

Redbeard7 said: ↑

Tony Thompson had vastly more left in the tank than Whyte and he did not spark Pricey in the rematch. Price also got stopped on exhaustion, after being battered previously.

I don't think Itauma is a Wlad and Hrgovic is not a Puritty. A loss can ruin a hyped fighter's career, see Jared Anderson.

Morrison was also winning most rounds vs Mercer, but Mercer was a better fighter. Same with Hrgo-Itauma.

Itauma's collapse was more rapid than Wlad's, Morrison's or Haye's. They all had a round of being beaten up before they got stopped in the one after, Itauma was gone in the first round he lost.
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You keep trying to compare Itauma with price LMAO... David Price was very Stiff, had a weak Chin, didn't have a good defense, also has been Knocked out in the Amateurs with head gear on... Moses Ituama has never been dropped in the Amateurs he's also not Stiff and he's got a great Defense.. Moses Ituama only flaw is his inability to pace himself that's it... Moses Ituama at age 15 was sparring AJ, Dubois, Fury .

Redbeard7 · Sep 9, 2026 at 4:34 AM

BoxingGod12345 said: ↑

Itauma's collapse was more rapid than Wlad's, Morrison's or Haye's. They all had a round of being beaten up before they got stopped in the one after, Itauma was gone in the first round he lost.
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Moses itauma threw 416 Punches in just 9 Rounds against Filip Hrgovic and most were Power Shots No heavyweight is throwing does many Punches. Itauma threw 65 Punches in Round 8 trying to stop Filip hrgovic. David Price wasn't even throwing the same volume as Itauma and he sure can't throw 65 Punches a round.. ituama is not Jared Anderson....Jared Anderson got beat from pillar to post against Martin Bakole.. yes Filip hrgovic isn't Ross Purity but my Point is that Ross Purity is Ultimate Bum... Frank martin is Way better than Ross Purity and itauma Knocked him out in 5 rounds.... Wlademir Klitschko also got destroyed by corrie sanders and Brewster.... Moses Ituama is q generational talent his only problem is learning how to pace himself...[/QUOTE]
Itauma is more talented than Anderson but mentally I see similarities. 416 punches over 9 rounds is not a furious pace. David Haye started much faster against Carl Thompson. If you lack heart, chin, brain, lungs then your speed and power will only carry you so far.

I don't think Jermaine Franklin is better than Ross Puritty, let alone "way better". Franklin was a spoiler, Puritty came to win, was a decent puncher and had a couple of good results.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/unique-journeyman-ross-puritty.715169/

Redbeard7 · Sep 9, 2026 at 4:43 AM

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You keep trying to compare Itauma with price LMAO... David Price was very Stiff, had a weak Chin, didn't have a good defense, also has been Knocked out in the Amateurs with head gear on... Moses Ituama has never been dropped in the Amateurs he's also not Stiff and he's got a great Defense.. Moses Ituama only flaw is his inability to pace himself that's it... Moses Ituama at age 15 was sparring AJ, Dubois, Fury .
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Itauma has a weak chin and poor defence. He took Hrgovic's shots poorly to head and body and his defense is based on his reflexes and his offense, in large part. He had no survival skills vs Hrgo because he has always been the hammer and not the nail. I also saw no backfoot game from him. Price boxed at the Olympics as an amateur, Itauma boxed kids in the world junior championships. The British hype machine says it was just pacing but the hype is lying for a second time. Itauma only sparred Okolie at 15 to my knowledge. Yes he has talent but he has major flaws, like AJ, Haye.

Serge · Sep 9, 2026 at 6:21 AM

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If 34 year old Usyk had been fighting WSB 5 rounders he'd have dominated just as much. I think we saw the best of him at HW, even at 38.5 he was still producing elite form. I'd also argue it balances out because he got AJ post-Ruiz, Fury post-binge and post-Wilder etc.

All chins crack eventually but some retire with their chins in tact, even at advanced ages. Foreman, Vitali, McCall, Wach, all very durable at 40+. I suspect Hrgo has that kind of chin.
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That's because of how great and complete a fighter he is. The WSB Usyk would've handled the giants he fought in the pros at HW even easier or with less difficulty than he did as his speed, reflexes, reaction times and agility were so much faster and sharper back then during his prime and athletic prime.

Maybe it won't crack, maybe it will we simply don't know but we do know that if he was 21 with a lot less miles on his clock as opposed to 34 it wouldn't crack for a very long time which is my point.

Redbeard7 · Sep 9, 2026 at 6:42 AM

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That's because of how great and complete a fighter he is. The WSB Usyk would've handled the giants he fought in the pros at HW even easier or with less difficulty than he did as his speed, reflexes, reaction times and agility were so much faster and sharper back then during his prime and athletic prime.

Maybe it won't crack, maybe it will we simply don't know but we do know that if he was 21 with a lot less miles on his clock as opposed to 34 it wouldn't crack for a very long time which is my point.
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What was Fury's speed, agility and reaction time like in 2024 compared to 2015, prior to the 30 stone junk food, alcohol and coke binge? If Usyk was so much better at 25 he should have turned pro and toyed with Wlad, and shouldn't have spent 3 years fighting journeymen after turning pro.

What are the top wins by HW's 21 and younger? Because aside from maybe Mike Tyson, I wouldn't pick any of them to beat Hrgovic.

Serge · Sep 9, 2026 at 8:05 AM

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What was Fury's speed, agility and reaction time like in 2024 compared to 2015, prior to the 30 stone junk food, alcohol and coke binge? If Usyk was so much better at 25 he should have turned pro and toyed with Wlad, and shouldn't have spent 3 years fighting journeymen after turning pro.

What are the top wins by HW's 21 and younger? Because aside from maybe Mike Tyson, I wouldn't pick any of them to beat Hrgovic.
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We are talking about a 25-26 y/o version of Usyk vs the versions of the fighters he did actually fight when he was 34-38 but any version of him beats any version of Belly and that includes the wild boar juiced Belly and the one who was getting dropped and badly hurt by featherfists and featherfist E levels.

Usyk didn't turn pro until he was almost 27 but he could've turned pro at HW if he wanted to but he chose to become undisputed at CW first. But that's neither her nor there because I'm simply making the point that I'd take a 25-26 y/o athletic prime version of Usyk at HW over the near 35 y/o-38/39 y/o version because he was that much faster, more agile, and with faster reflexes and reaction times and his speed advantage would've been even greater than it was, a speed advantage that has been diminishing for years up at HW in his mid to late 30s

My point. Good chance Moses will not be as good at 34 as he is now and his speed, reflexes, and reaction times will be diminished at 34. That doesn't mean HWs don't generally mature later. He, like Usyk, is a speed based reactive fighter.

Mark Anthony · Sep 9, 2026 at 8:37 AM

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Some thoughts:

Fighting talent isn't just speed, accuracy and punching power: it is durability, stamina, intelligence, emotional control, mental toughness. These are attributes that Itauma naturally lacks and Hrgovic has in abundance.

We cannot assume that Itauma is going to make major improvements from where he is now and he could easily regress. Mike Tyson peaked at 21. Itauma could very well go the way of Jared Anderson; another on-top fighter who didn't love boxing, who openly admitted he was looking to make his money and get out, like Itauma. The bigger the hype, the harder the fall, and a man who doesn't enjoy boxing when he's winning will detest it when he loses. In recent years, AJ and Wilder are also examples in this regard, though they did at least become long-reigning titlists before they lost at 29 and 34 respectively.

At 17 Hrgovic won the youth world championships, like Itauma. At 21 Hrgovic was a veteran of the "semi-pro" WSB, stopping accomplished Cuban amateurs and getting the better of Haye and Wilder in sparring. This suggests to me that Itauma's biggest problem wasn't his lack of experience relative to Hrgovic but Hrgovic simply having his number.

As some noted in the RBR, Itauma was breathing noticably after round 1. Hrgovic started to make it competitive in round 3, and continued this trend in 5 and 6. By the end of 8, Itauma was falling apart, and Hrgovic delivered the coup de grace in 9.

Hrgovic was not looking to outpoint Itauma and he was fighting with 12 rounds in mind, not 6 or 8. Hrgovic came to stop Itauma, and Itauma left on a stretcher. No amount of coping and mental gymnastics will change this.
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Moses looked far better in that fight than Anderson did vs Bakole.

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