Hrgovic is going to be a tough out vs the champs

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  1. red corner

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    How many heavies are really in there to fight at all times, unafraid of counters and confront their man at most points of the round? He makes you fight. How many heavies can fight well and throw lots of punches that and tough to dodge? How many heavies are super heavies and are 6'6" 245 pounds with and 82" reach? How many heavies are fear getting hit, and react badly when taged, besides Hrgovic? How many heavies really kick ass / ring fighst and don't on their natural gifts to win by playing it safe? How many heavies have good hand speed? How many heavies feature crippling body shots and can in-fight / fight a little dirty. How many heavies are natural punchers? The answer to all of these questions is Hrgovic and very few others. Ask yourself. Who checks all the boxes? He fights like he does for a reason. Too much of made if he gets hit because he's aggressive. The other guy is badly outclassed, and quickly hurt. He's no Wilder or Tommy Morrison.

    That why I think he will be champion and the other guys won't be able to deal with him when his time comes due to age, lack of a top chin, lack of power, or lack of skills , and in some cases lack of size. He has it. The eye of the tiger. In a year it's time to unleash him...and they will ALL be older and slower.
     
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  2. serioussam

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    I hope he doesn't end like Zhilei Zhang. 38yo, fighting nobodies and probably retiring with 24:0 or 23:1 without any titles.
     
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    Zhang was never ranked in the ten, Hrgovic is the #3 currently and highly by the other orgs. He's getting a shot in a year. Zhang will never got one and isn't that good. How may times can Fury fight no hoppers and Wilder? He might retire, or get KO'd again. Joshua will fight him and so will Usyk in a year or so, and by then Usyk will be older and Joshua if he returns to top form won't be fighting 39, 39. and 41 year olds, or fat men like Ruiz in the second fight. Fury was cut badly by a man raked in the 30's and down four times vs the less than skillful Wilder. If Hrgovic who has better stamina and skills lands, he's in trouble. The heavyweight division is weak and besides Hrgovic no one promising in the top ten. Ring Magazine has him at 9th and looking at who's above him he'll be moving up.
     
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  4. Serge

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    But he slow doe

    He gets hit

    When is he gonna fight somebody

    If he so slow how comes he never, amateur or pro, has a problem landing on his opponents with consistency?

    If he's so east to hit and gets hit so much how comes he's able to take these shots so well and unlike the vast majority of other HWs has never been stopped, KO'd, dropped, wobbled or noticeably hurt?

    He's been calling out the big names for years

    Since at least he was a 7-0 pro

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    He had a go at E-Hearn the other day, saying he needs to get better opponents for him and offer them more money to accept the challenge of facing him. He's clearly very frustrated and angry about the way his career's been handled. But all these fighters who turned down fighting him in an IBF eliminator are guaranteed a HW title shot if they beat him and they obviously don't want that smoke

    E-Hearn knows how good Hrgovic is but he's a very real threat to his golden goose AJ and and doesn't want to invest in him like he should be and he isn't British, American or Mexican either

    E-Hearn will break the bank to secure big names for his American golden goose Haney because he's desperate to conquer the US market

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    Hrgovic is a 6'6'' 240lb giant with good skills, accuracy, decent athleticism, very heavy hands and KO power, and seemingly a granite chin. He brings a lot to the table and does a lot of things well and most importantly and this is what a lot of people miss, is very effective.

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  5. NEETzschean

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    The people who call him slow are haters who are scared he will at some point eclipse their favourite fighter. Hrgovic is a Klitschko-esque beast, like Vitali with more power, dirtier (astonishingly prolific rabbit puncher) plus all of the modern advantages.

    However, he's not especially marketable and everyone in the industry knows how good he is, so everyone ducks him and he has to fight stiff after stiff, with his promoters doing nothing for him.
     
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  6. red corner

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    He's not slow and his opponents do not win a round or land 15 punches in one. He doesn't lose any rounds. But critics will say he got hit while throwing punches, so who doesn't? No blow landed has remotely hurt or floored him. There are going to need serious power to and be able to fight. If he wants to play it safe and not engage often, he'd win more rounds safely and get hit less but that is not how he operates.
     
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  7. Serge

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    He seems to have a lot of irrational haters and detractors who are just itching to say we told you so who only focus on his flaws and not any of the good things does or brings to the table. He possesses the raw intangibles and is solid or strong in almost all departments and that alone stands him in very good stead if guided correctly.

    He's actually got a dry sense of humour and I've noticed people tend to warm to him during interviews
     
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  8. _Scott_

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    He's getting hit way too much, sloppy, last time he was breathing heavily after 2 rounds.. Expected a lot from him, but if he gets hit by a real puncher, it's lights out.
     
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    Also gets a bit fatter every time he fights.
     
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  10. NEETzschean

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    You don't need massive power to keep even iron-chinned heavyweights at bay. Oliver McCall lost or went life and death with many a C level heavyweight, he wasn't able to just tank everything to land his shots. Blown-up super-middleweight Byrd was able to keep Vitali from mauling him. Boxing fans have a cartoonish and unrealistic idea of punching power, which is why so many thought that Usyk couldn't do anything at heavyweight. Even relative light punchers can stop you in your tracks and if you put your chin on a plate for them, they can hurt you. If you get hit too much you'll get cut, your gas tank will deplete and if you can't stop them while getting hit excessively, you'll lose on the cards.
     
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  11. On The Money

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    He said after the last fight he didn't respect the guys power, that means he doesn't care too much about taking a clip from these D class no hopers. Pretty sure if he got a real challenge he'd up his game. Him vs Yoka would be a 50-50 fight imo.
     
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    I'm curious what you would like Hearn to do. You said it yourself he sees Haney as an investment because it can bring the American market. Is Hearn to pay over the odds to try and get people in the ring with Hrgovic?
    A final eliminator for the IBF title wasn't enough of an enticement, which points to most opponents asking for too much to get in the ring with him. Maybe he can get some rounds in against Hammer, and hope the IBF make him mandatory.

    It might also help if he calls out realistic opponents that aren't going to cost a fortune to get in the ring with him. I understand getting your name out there, but calling out the top 10, when you have yet to fight anyone in the top 40 seems overly ambitious. Has he called out anyone say in the top 30?

    edit: actually, I've heard others float this idea before, and I think Jerry Forrest would be an ideal candidate right now. Forrest seems game, and is riding high off his last two performances. Doubt he would cost an arm and a leg, but would certainly be a marketable fight.
     
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  13. Serge

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    It's quite simple and Hrgovic said the same the other day. Just offer higher purses to his opponents

    I actually had the same idea myself the other day regarding Forrest
     
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  14. red corner

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    Yoka has a suspect chin, he's meat in a difficult fight. Hrgovic fights undefeated types and older has beens currently none of which are class D. Try class B or C and he ends them quickly. Some of these guys can punch, but he has not be bothered by their power. Who do you have in mind to fight him in the top 10, or outside of it and please do not say the drug plagued and suspect chained Yoka.
     
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    But Hrgovic can fight, McCall was limited. Byrd beat Vitaly due to injury not his power or by outboxing him. Otherwise he looses. I agree fans over estimate puncher types, but not those with skills, a good chin, and size like Hrgovic. Beating him on the cards will not be easy as he is very effective and he lands easily in his opponents. New have the defense and footwork to avoid him. Usyk is one who may out box him, but he will be old by the time they meet.
     
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