https://www.quora.com/Why-isnt-Roy-Jones-Jr-among-the-top-names--Pound-for-pound-OAT

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  1. Mark Adam

    Mark Adam Active Member banned Full Member

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    I answered this thread and stated that Jones was overrated in the 90`s and eventually got exposed, do you agree? [url]https://www.quora.com/Why-isnt-Roy-Jones-Jr-among-the-top-names-considered-in-the-Pound-for-pound-greatest-of-all-time-talks[/url]
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, I don't agree.

    Your post was absolutely terrible.
     
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  3. Mark Adam

    Mark Adam Active Member banned Full Member

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    Maybe I was slightly harsh.
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Honestly, it was awful.

    But if you want an objective debate, you can have one.
     
  5. Mark Adam

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    Fine, I actually didn`t come up with this question on Quora.com I just noticed it as a sub heading and thought I`d post it here to get a response and throw in a few nuggets of my own, I do feel Roy is slightly overrated and there was great anser in my link from someone who pointed out Roy`s 1-2-3 combo`s weren`t as good as Robinson`s and Leonard`s because his first two punches were quicker than the third etc.
     
  6. Mark Adam

    Mark Adam Active Member banned Full Member

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    This was copied from someone else`s anwer to this question,
    He's nearly as fast as anyone to ever do it(forget about finding someone to match him in the modern era at anywhere near the light heavyweight division); he has great-borderline HOF power in a counterpunch and very good power otherwise.Here's what keeps him from that upper echelon group, in my opinion: 1. he is a 1-2-3 fighter. This means that his 1-2 is hyper fast, but the 3rd punch slows way down(if he uses a 3rd punch at all). Most of the time, he only threw 1 punch at a time. Some fighters like Leonard, Ali, Robinson, etc. had the ability to put punches together, but some did not or the latter punches of some fighters were much slower than the first ones. This can be a huge problem when another fighter is a pure combination puncher. Just ask Calzaghe. Tarver was a good bit slower, but he was a combination puncher, as well. Jones could be outworked or countered easily.THIS REQUIRES COURAGE, AS YOU NEVER KNEW WHEN THE SPEEDY POWER PUNCH WAS COMING! That's probably why he did so well for so long; opponents were scared of him. It's the same thing with Archie Moore: whenever he fought a combination fighter that had speed or power, they would overwhelm him by the time the fight was over. He, like Jones, could be countered as well. Holmes and Mayweather, Jr. had this weakness, too. Teddy Atlas said that D'Amato always said, if Tyson fought Holmes, he'd have the opportunity to counter.2. Jones was a boxer-”counter”puncher. The boxer part requires reach from the boxer stance or, eventually, you will meet fighters that you can no longer outbox. Reach is invaluable when boxing from the boxer stance. Jones had little reach.3. He could employ defense, if he saw the need going into a fight--as he did with Trinidad[HUGE, HUGE PUNCHER]. However, most of the time, he was not really interested in defense and any head movement on his part was taunting or an attempt to set up a counterpunch.4. When fighters finally got the courage to attack Roy's 1-2-3 offense, counterpunching, and little defense style, we finally got to see that either he could not take a punch or he could only take an average power punch.These things together could spell DOOM for any fighter that had these flaws. AND, THEY WOULD ALSO SHOW UP IN WHAT TRANSPIRED DURING A BOXING CAREER.39 Views · [url]View Upvoters[/url] · Answer requested by [url]Justin Bolton[/url]

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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Another nonsense post.

    The only post which was fair was the one from Peter.
     
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    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    ****ing hell what a load of horse shite. You have zero boxing knowledge.
     
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    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You can really tell when someone hasn't boxed when they try to do a technical breakdown. Embarrassing.
     
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    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mark didn't write that post, but it's just as bad as the one he did write.

    Apparently, Roy mostly threw just one punch at a time.

    He even referenced the Trinidad fight.

    A bizarre post.

    He obviously knows nothing about Roy.
     
  11. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Had Roy retired after the first Tarver fight we would all be talking about who was the best fighter in the last 30 years him or Mayweather. Unfortunately he (like most fighters) didn’t know when to hang em up. But he was amazing and to me deserves to be mentioned as a top five to ten fighter of the last 30 years.
     
  12. Loudon

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    Honestly, I would say that he's mostly underrated today.

    I don't understand why you've written what you have, and I don't understand why you rate that other guy's opinion.
     
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  13. Mark Adam

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    Because he looked awful against Griffin the first they had even though he blew him out in 2 rounds in their rematch, he didn`t seem comfortable opening up a counter puncher, he preffered to counter punch himself, he also looked bad in the first Hopkins bout.
     
  14. Bokaj

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    I down voted your post. If you put as much emphasis on every fighters blemishes past prime there would be no one left to rate.
     
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    He didn't look awful. Montell was a crafty, defensive counter puncher, who was trained by Futch. He was a good fighter. It was a good clash of styles. I enjoyed his fights with Toney too. He caused Roy problems, but Roy started to turn things in his favour just after the half way point. By the final 3rd of the fight, he was on top. I do agree with the DQ though.

    How did he look bad in the Hopkins fight? That was a good display of boxing by 2 very skilled guys. He'd also hurt his right hand going into the fight.