Hvywt disunity: King's fault or Vlad's fault?

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  1. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I already know the answer to this question, but I'm curious as to what ESB posters think.

    Is the heavyweight championship disunified because Don King is knows his fighters will be eaten alive by Vladimir Klitschko, therefore King wants disunity in order to control a piece of the crown?

    Or, is it the other way around...

    Is Vladimir Klitschko an overprotected, fragile champion who knows he needs to stay away from serious opponents in order to remain champion, therefore he frantically avoids Don King's fighters because he knows they will beat him?

    What does the average ESB poster think?
     
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Don King kept putting roadblocks up to keep Vitali from fighting Oleg. Don King only allows a fighter to fight against his fighter if that fighter owns the belt or the opponent is owned by Don King.
     
  3. uppa kut

    uppa kut Active Member Full Member

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    Obviously King. Isn't Klitschko the first HW to unify since 99'....
     
  4. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks Farmy.

    How about the rest of you ESB'ers? What do you think?
     
  5. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont blame either, wasnt Iggy/Chagaev suppose to happen for unification, but Chagaev pulled out for odd reasons, not Kings fault. I honestly believe Vitali never earned the spot to have the opertunity to challenge Maskaev, from what I read Vitali priced himself out during negotiations anyways, I think at one time King had more power because his guys held all the belts, so it did appear that way, but now I cant see how King is doing anything to hold back unification.
     
  6. EARL

    EARL Active Member Full Member

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    It's probably safe to say that King doesn't look at Ibragimov as as big of a threat as he would Wladimir.
     
  7. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I guess, but wasnt Valuev in talks with Wlads people to get a unification fight after he beat Chagaev, too bad he couldnt pull out the victory, I really think that wouldve of happend, Valuev was only a couple fights away from beating Marciano's 49 straight wins for a Heavyweight champ.
     
  8. EARL

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    I've always heard of a fight between Valuev and Klitschko proposed but I don't remember if there was ever any serious negotiation going on.
     
  9. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was probably more talk than anything, but it would of been a huge fight if made, and could you see if Valuev won a couple more matches after beating Chageav, and his record was 49-0 and he had to beat Wlad to hit the 50 mark, combine that with the first real unification fight since 99, you have yourself a super fight my friend, it would of been exactly what the Heavyweight division needed to get it back on track.
     
  10. EARL

    EARL Active Member Full Member

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    I think even now a fight between Valuev and Klitschko is a lot more interesting than a rematch with Peter, at this point. But yeah.. that would have been a big fight had things went down that way.
     
  11. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is Waldo really more worried about Chagaev than, say, Povetkin or Thompson? Or when Briggs had a belt, from him? The division is so weak and there is such little change in ability in the top 10 I think it's silly to say Waldo is protected. Besides, he already fought Peter.

    King, on the other hand, will steer undeserving guys like Austin into mandatory positions and dragged out Valuev's reign.

    I think it's clear Waldo will unify if given the chance - if Valuev beats Chagaev and stays away from Wlad, you'll have your answer.
     
  12. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed, though not as big as then, it could still big if promoted the right way. I see the average fan being drawn in by the fact that the biggest fighters of all time are meeting against each other in the ring, it would also be interesting to see if Wlad can knockout the giant, or will Valuev be able to get to Wlads weak chin. Many questions, and yes, this fight would be just as enertaining, if not more than the Peter/Wlad 2 fight.
     
  13. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    Interesting someone brought up Valuev-WLAD...when this potential fight was picking up a buzz a while back, all of the KLIT-ites towed the line saying "WLAD will never fight him, because he won't fight someone involved with evil Don King."

    Now the KLIT-ite position is, that KING is avoiding WLAD...when before, WLAD was rightly justified to avoid King. You KLIT-ites are too much.
     
  14. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    And how does letting Vitlay get a crack at Oleg instead help for unification you dumb oaf?
     
  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    From what I heard this match was in talks of happening until Valuev lost the belt to Chagaev in April of 07, then the deal kid of fell apart. I dont think King wants to stop unification no more than Wlad, but when all his guys had belts back in early 06, people thought he was trying to stop fighters from fighting, but if you remember it was Lewis that didnt want to fight Bryd back in the early 2000s.