HW champions of the early 30s

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  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Neusal was a rising star until Schmeling burst that bubble. He held wins over Gains, Levinsky and Loughran, the latter two back to back when Schmeling ko'd him.

    Schmeling beat a lot of top contenders at very high points in their career that's why I always place him first of the 5 holdover champions as I sometimes refer to them.
    He also mostly performed better over common opponents. Like Sharkey lost to Louis (he was way past prime though) and he split with Risko a pair of decisions and drew with Walker.
    Schmeling definitively ko'd Risko, Walker and Louis.
    Same goes for Baer, despite beating Max, he split decisions with Risko and Uzcudon. Schmeling went 2-0-1 with Uzcudon with the draw being a dubious rendering from the referee the head of the Spanish boxing federation. And again Louis looms large as Schmeling's win carries him over the top as Baer fell in four.
    Primo is hard to read he looks better on film in many fights than I though he would (although he looks awful in the brief footage against Gains) but his resume beneath the surface has questions. Like Schaaf had meningitis and should never been in the ring. Did Sharkey take a dive? Did Godfrey? Tommy Loughran said it was pre arranged that he had to KO Carnera to get the win was that ever substantiated. At face value his resume is as good as Baer but there are questions. So i place him just a shade below Sharkey and Baer but close.
    Braddock well was Braddock
     
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  2. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

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    In terms of skill
    1 schmeling
    2 Braddock
    3 sharkey
    4 baer
    5 carnera

    In terms of fighting ability
    1 Baer
    2 Braddock
    3 schmeling
    4 sharkey
    5 carnera

    Baer in his short prime before he broke his hand in the Braddock fight was an absolute juggernaught, harder hitter and greater chin than any man before him. Not the most skilled and bad footwork though.

    Braddock is very underrted these days, his record suffered due to having a broken hand in most of his fights, and only being good with that one hand, but average power, iron chin, very skilled with a great one two combo, not a knock out artist but strong enough to floor joe Louis and give tommy farr hell. Louis said he was the toughest man he ever fought, and Louis's trainer told joe that Braddock was incapableof being scared.

    Schmeling had great ring i.q. And a strong right cross, pretty crafty fighter. Average power and chin.

    Sharkey was a balanced fighter with some great wins over schmeling and carnera, and even gave dempsey a rough fight, though this was old man dempsey were talking about. Average power and chin.

    Carnera was a lumbering brute, mostly just rellies on being gigantic, scary lookin, had good reach which he knew how to utilize. Average power, good chin. Was too bulky to be fluid so he was bad at throwing combinations
     
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  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually rate Sharkey level with Schmeling, Baer-who I think is overrated- next.
     
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    A game of musical chairs in the early 1930's. a time where the judging and fixed fights was an issue.

    Schmeling was the best, than Baer assuming he was motivated.

    After that you can argue, but I like Carnera just slightly over Jack Sharkey. Carnera does have some nice wins, a KO over Sharkey, Uzcudun, Schaaf, Neusel, Levinsky, and Gross. He was only stopped by the likes of Louis and Baer in what could be viewed as his near prime or prime fights

    Braddock is last.

    Tunney retired too soon, he'd clean up on these guys.
     
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