HW Division crashing and burning

I agree, there have been great fights, but I figured the OPs rant was aimed at the top fighters in the division not facing off.

 

Joshua is the dominant champion , Wilder would be the 4th best HW when UsyK officially enters bc UsyK out boxes Wilder. And if Wilder loses his next fight he is number 5/6 depending on how you rank guys.

That means Usyk vs Joshua becomes more important so we are getting a better fight, despite what ppl wish to believe.

i don't really give anyone much of a chance against Joshua outside Joyce and Whyte for obvious reasons ( at least that I see ) and those fights will happen so Fury and Wilder can kick rocks and continue to run away , it doesn't matter bc I already know the outcome of them, they are the most predictable.

Guys like Hrgovic, DDD , Sirenko, Conto and Ajagba, bring much more threats then the current ones outside Joshua so the era hasn't even started so the OP claiming its dead is not possible. Lol

 

Agree with u. I made a similar thread https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/all-the-top-hws-are-fighting-bums.628682/#post-19815790

 

I disagree. He makes the most money. Clearly.

Oscar De La Hoya used to make the most money, too. That didn't make him a dominant champ.

Joshua didn't even dominate Joseph Parker. Never put him down. One announcer on the Showtime broadcast said if the fight was in New Zealand, Parker probably would've gotten the nod. And as we're learning, Joseph Parker wasn't really anything.

Joshua makes a lot of money. He's very marketable at home.

That doesn't equal dominance in the ring.

You seem to be confusing the two.

There have been fighters who were both dominant and made the most money, but the two don't necessarily go hand in hand.

When a guy can hit you, and you can call time in the fight, and the referee gives it to you, like was the case in the Joshua-Parker fight (which sent Al Bernstein into a rant) ... that's not being "dominant."

That's being taken care of.

 

He is not really a dominant champ since he did not defeat Wilder and Fury, but he is the best out of 3. Wilder is just horrid and Fury is inconsistent and fights on and off.

 

Wilder isn't horrid. Joshua is a quality heavyweight champion. So is Wilder. Fury is highly skilled once he's in the ring, but he's a trainwreck outside of it.

They're all three very good. None has proven his dominance yet. That's to be determined.

 

Joshua only lost 2 rounds vs Parker.
Joshua wasn't rocked by Molina last time I checked ?
Joshua never had a controversial decision .
Joshua has never been saved by the bell.
Joshua has 4 titles.
Joshua has currently more top WBC top guys on his list, Wilder has one.
Joshua is a PPV star.
Joshua has two proven fighters on his resume that are considered elite , Wilder has one and he lost .
Joshua never needed extra time in a fight to Have doctors check on him in a fight he was losing.

Yea no dominant champion here !


Have you figured out that Wilder is not an ATG yet ?

 

Wilder is an all-time great. Which heavyweight champion with nine title defenses isn't in the Hall of Fame?

 

Which HW champion in 9 title defences fought mandatory only once and defended against a senior citizen, polish hooligan, French chef and a part time school teacher? Avoided prime Povetkin, got dropped by 400 pound couch potato

 

Wilder lost to Fury, he's dropped off this race.

It's between Fury and AJ now to establish who the man is.

 

By senior citizen, do you mean Wlad? Didn't he come out of retirement?

And which heavyweight champ gave the part-time school teacher his SECOND title shot? (LOL)

I think it's so funny you guys are still trotting out the part-time schoolteacher line when Joshua GAVE MOLINA A SECOND TITLE SHOT AFTER WILDER did.

Christ.

Seriously. The old lines don't work anymore. Use your brain.

 

At least Wlad was in his 40s when he fought AJ and Fury.
Deontay attacked and beat up a 60 year old.
It's a crime in most countries.

 

And Joshua signed to defend his title against a part-time school teacher after Wilder had already knocked him out.

Good for him.

If that's all this discussion is turning into, I'm going to go.

 

It's crashing and burning because as we've all found out over the past few months, this division is full of cowards.

It really is a mess. Wilder ducking Whyte. Wilder ducking AJ. Kownacki ducking AJ. Ortiz ducking AJ. Miller resorting to cheating because he's terrified of AJ. Fury going off to fight bums for money. Wilder going off to fight bums for money. Usyk probably using the injury excuse to duck Takam of all people (That may or may not be true, but until I see proof of this injury I'll call it ducking). When does this rubbish end?

So we know that AJ, Ruiz, Whyte, Hunter and Povetkin are the ones who aren't running scared.

The Heavyweight division is an embarrassment. And you know why? Because the majority of them can't summon the bravery to take a fight against AJ. I'd take 5 million in exchange for getting beaten up. Who wouldn't? I might leave in pieces, but at least my finances are secure. Unfortunately the real fighters would prefer to run away.

 

There is a big 3 but it isnt the Boxers this is SHOWTIME v ESPN v DAZN. Joshua and Wilder claim to be free agents but how free are they? Wilder is free but refuses to fight anywhere but on Showtime. Josuha is free but to take him off DAZN you have to guarantee to pay him more than DAZN and nobody seems to be willing to do that that ive heard of. Its a 3 way stand off between the 3 promotional companies and right now only DAZN are ready to play but they are batting big with the money right now, surely they cant keep that up. Toprank is lining up lesser fights for Fury on ESPN and Finkel is lining up lesser fights for Wilder on Showtime.

As somebody else said the Boxers are the casualties. You can even include Breazeale and Ortiz in that too, From what i hear DAZN was willing to pay both of them much more than the PBC are willing to give them. I also struggle to believe they can get anywhere near 100 million in Wilders next 3 fights. And this is just the Heavyweights, we can see similar things going on in other divisions. Its all going too much in-house. Has the folding of HBO Boxing got them all in panic mode? Or are they all looking at the UFC and are looking for domination? Hell if we can get from 3 to 2 then we get a chess game and its about picking off and picking up the other sides pieces and when you get them all and they have nothing left you pretty much have a UFC format, you got all the players to play with and where are the new up and comers want to go when they looking to be picked up?

A bit much?