HW Hofs- Usyk / Joshua / Wilder / Fury / Who else?

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  1. Dubblechin

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    Wilder fought as an amateur at 201, same weight class as Usyk and Beterbiev, and he fought his last three fights in his late 30s at 214.

    He wasn't the naturally bigger anything.
     
  2. Mark Anthony

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    lol! Wilder had a crap career and get exposed by Fury who`s only decent win was v a plodding Wlad, AJ had a brawl with Wlad and got completely out-boxed by Usyk twice.
     
  3. Mark Anthony

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    He was longer and taller.
     
  4. Dubblechin

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    None of them spent 12 years fighting significantly bigger fighters.

    You can't name any other punchers in the last 100 years or so who did it because he's the only one who has ever done it for every fight for 12 years.

    He's it. The only one to rival him was Bob Fitzsimmons, another spindly-legged banger, and even he moved down to light heavyweight to fight guys more his size.
     
  5. Dubblechin

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    Undefeated for 12 years. Top five all time in consecutive successful heavyweight title defenses. Top 10 all time in longest heavyweight title reign. One of the highest KO percentages in history. Retires a multi-millionaire.

    Hall of Fame career. ;)
     
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    Because he is in shape, something not true of Ortiz and Stiverne.

    Andy Ruiz outweighs Joshua and Lennox Lewis but I wouldn't argue he is bigger in terms of muscle mass
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    And always in shape.

    That, too. Unlike a lot of guys who are in the Hall of Fame.

    And also one of the few guys in the "PED era" who aged like old-time fighters and basically got old and lost it by age 38, when nearly everyone pre-PED era had already or were about to call it a day.

    There weren't any ... hey, I'll take some time off and come back better than ever later in life. He got old, just like the old-timers did.

    Ortiz was a multiple-time PED cheat. Stiverne was a multiple-time PED cheat. Fury was a PED cheat. Povetkin was a multiple-time PED cheat. Whyte was a multiple-time PED cheat. Parker is having his "second career" conveniently after joining Fury's team and getting named in a drug smuggling/money laundering ring. (Now Joe's got all the stamina in the world and a better punch. Just as he was nearing the end. What a shock!)

    But crap all over the always smaller, scrawny Wilder, who practically always gave up a lot of weight to drug cheats, still put nearly all of them on their butts, and is now the only one who seems to be aging naturally.

    If he was an old-timer, you guys would have nothing but praise for him.
     
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  8. Mark Anthony

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    Who the hell did he beat during the 12 year unbeaten run? top 5 all-time consecutive defenses v who? Top 10 longest reign fighting who? One of the highest KO percentages doesn`t mean he had a good career, he had awful fundamentals, being a multi millionaire doesn`t mean he had a good career.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

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    Who did Ricardo Lopez beat?
     
  10. Mark Anthony

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    OMG! Lopez was far more skilled than Wilder.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

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    Who gives a ****. It's not the Hall of SKILLS.

    Lopez didn't beat better opponents than Wilder. And Lopez didn't beat or even fight anyone who outweighed him 20, 30, 40, 50 ... let alone knock them out.

    They all have different accomplishments. It's not the same criteria for all.
     
  12. The Long Count

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    You do realize Wilder is 6’7 with an 83 inch reach. Little disingenuous to act like he’s handicapped in these matches. He happens to be skinny. And when he faced men his own height he lost. He’s just not that good.
     
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  13. The Long Count

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    Wilders resume is absolute garbage and that’s the only that should be looked at when going into the Hall of Fame.

    What are his 5 best opponents?
    39 Year old Ortiz
    Stiverne
    Shot Arreola who wasn’t good to begin with
    Gerald Washington lol
    Small cruiser Szpilka lol

    His resume sucks!
     
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  14. The Long Count

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    And let me point out that this is a troll thread by MVC who is known for this, who usually will list deserving people for something and then throw in one absurd candidate. In this case everyone knows who it is except one person.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    Height? What fights are made according to HEIGHT?

    The men he faced who were his height all outweighed him by huge amounts. The guys who were shorter than him outweighed him, too, often by huge amounts.

    He was VERY good.

    Seriously, you're trying too hard to hate on this guy.
     
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